Paul Haggis Provides False Choice on How That Email Ended Up in Church Hands

Hacking ScientologyYesterday, in the comments section of my blog, I provided the link to a post that Marty Rathbun wrote in December of 2009 about his wordpress blog account being hacked.

That post was written four months after Marty and “collero’s” email exchanges. And if Marty’s wordpress.com blog was hacked, that means the hackers got his password for his wordpress account. And if they got that password, what other passwords did they get?

All you need to read Marty’s encrypted emails is the password to Marty’s hushmail account. And if Paul Haggis was not using encrypted email, or any of the other recipients to that email exchange, then there is no protection of encryption for that email conversation.

Paul Haggis this morning only gave 2 possibilities for how this email ended up in a Church video – either Marty was hacked or Marty handed it over to them.

But that’s wrong – there aren’t just those two possibilities. Paul himself could have been hacked, Jason Beghe could have been hacked (a known, self-confessed technological Luddite who had a probable OSA plant living with him) and any other recipient on that email chain could have been hacked as possibilities, as well.

The Church of Scientology has had a dedicated and well financed team of hackers since at least the time I left around 1999. I knew two of them from that time. One of them was Tim Crowley, a fellow mission staff member from Peoria, brother of Suzanne Crowley, whose specialty was intercepting emails from peoples’ email traffic. Mike Rinder hired him at OSA Int in the early 2000s. Another was Jesus Gimenez, a former Scientology friend of mine from LA who worked directly with former GO honcho Craig Jensen’s hacking unit at Executive Software, who also worked directly with OSA, as Mike Rinder well knows.

Even Mike Rinder and Tony Ortega’s emails have been hacked and the guy who hacked them went to prison, as Tony wrote about here:

On June 25, former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder and I went public with the information that the two of us had been notified by the US Attorney that we had been victimized in Saldarriaga’s hacking attacks for hire. Besides both being victims of Saldarriaga, Rinder and I both appeared in Alex Gibney’s recent film on Scientology, Going Clear, and we have each experienced harassment we attribute to the church and its private investigators. We pointed out to Judge Sullivan in our “victim impact statements” that the only organization that would want illegal access to our email accounts was Rinder’s former employer. Any other scenario strained credulity, we pointed out.

Hell, I’ve been attempted to be hacked by the Church of Scientology beginning back on Christmas Day 2001, and I must presume, all the way up to now.

Unlike Tony Ortega, and now Paul Haggis it seems, I’m not saying that I KNOW anything about Marty Rathbun and what the hell he is doing. I am simply pointing out that if you are targeted by the Church of Scientology’s sophisticated team of hackers, you have to have expert level knowledge of computer security to be confident that you have not been hacked. And anyone who is an expert at computer security is NEVER confident that they have not been hacked.

No critic of the Church of Scientology that I know is an expert at computer security. And after the false choices that Tony Ortega and Paul Haggis are giving us on this subject – it is clear that they are no experts at computer security, either.

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DigThatGroove
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Ortega wrote:

“Rathbun decided to make the entire email public on his website, and it included one name of a recipient who was not Rathbun, Haggis, or Beghe.”

“In other words, Rathbun had just outed one of the disaffected Scientologists that in 2009 he and Haggis and Beghe were trying so hard to keep the church from knowing about.”

Tony quotes Haggis as saying:

“He appears to be doing exactly what I warned he would – revealing another friend’s involvement that we all swore to keep secret[.]”

“He [Marty] personally swore to this person he would never reveal his identity, as did Jason and I. This is a sweet man who never went public and was afraid what would happen if he did, [..] The only thing this person ever asked of us was anonymity. Have a good sleep, Marty.”

As can be seen in the email Marty posted, the perosn that Haggis is referring to is Bill Dendiu. Contrary to Haggis’ assertions, Dendiu had spoken publicly against Miscavige in the past. According to goodreads.com, Dendiu had told Lawrence Wright about being physically assaulted by Miscavige and of having witnessed Miscavge assault others as well:

“The list of those who told me they had been physically assaulted by David Miscavige: Mike Rinder, Gale Irwin, Marty Rathbun, Jefferson Hawkins, Tom De Vocht, Mark Fisher, Bruce Hines, Bill Dendiu, Guy White, Marc Headley, and Stefan Castle. Those who said they had witnessed such abuse: John Axel, Marty Rathbun, Janela Webster, Tom De Vocht, Marc Headley, Eric Knutson, Amy Scobee, Dan Koon, Steve Hall, Claire Headley, Mariette Lindstein, John Peeler, Andre Tabayoyan, Vicki Aznaran, Jesse Prince, Mark Fisher, Bill Dendiu, Mike Rinder, David Lingerfelter, Denise (Larry) Brennan, Debbie Cook, and Lana Mitchell. [emphasis added]”

It may still be true that Rathbun promised Dendiu that he would not reveal his involvement in Rathbun’s communication with Haggis. If so, Rathbun should have redacted Dendiu’s name from the email (unless of course Dendiu gave him permission to do otherwise). With that being said, Haggis’ claim that Dendiu “never went public” is false. He may not have been a prominent a critic like Rinder or Rathbun but he did go public.

Some might object to me naming Dendiu in this comment but it must be done to correct the public record. Either way Dendiu’s involvement in the Rathbun-Haggis correspondence has already been exposed, you cannot unring the bell.

statpush
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Remember that they were talking about a time before Lawrence Wright hit the scene. It could very well be true that Bill did not want to be exposed – at that time.

Personally, whether Marty or Paul or anyone else got hacked is a moot point. Marty’s response to Haggis and Tony O is very telling. Marty appears to be spiralling out of control. It’s not so much what he says, its how he says it. He’s gone from asshole to cunt, completely skipping prick.

Whether or not there’s any “truth” buried in Marty’s words, who the fuck knows? And frankly, I don’t much care for Marty – as a person. I think he’s an arrogant blowhard, who chose to rip others up, and lie (either in the past or present). He’s been through the Scn mindfuck machine, and for a while was an operator. Now he just appears to be mentally and emotionally broken.

This is what happens to a Scientology Warrior when you take Scientology away.

Marie
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Great post!!

chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03
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chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

thanks for this info. I knew Bill Dendiu and even shared one of his stories I heard 2nd hand, once on ARS or Clambake, but not on the violence. But Bill’s been talked about, I talked about his time, he was an hilarious staff member, great jokester, great sense of humor, and a funny and good basketball player with a bad knee back then.

Allison
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I am going to be a pain in the ass and point out that Marty had no problem letting people know he had been hacked back then. It makes no logical sense that he wouldnt do so now. This did not happen in a vacuum taken with what he has been doing for the last several months i don’t think you can give him the benefit of the doubt.

PeaceMaker
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Alonzo, I just ordered the book by the former CIA analyst that you recommended a couple of days ago, which sounds like an interesting and useful read. On that subject, if you want to be serious about critical thinking, I’d like to see more detailed analysis, such as going through Rathbun’s posts point-by-point and weighing each, rather than picking a few points to speculate about.

I’m not going to attempt a thorough analysis here, just suggest a few things for consideration. You are right to point out that the e-mail which Scientology excerpted and Haggis referred to, could have come from other parties; but that still leaves the curious fact that Rathbun was quickly able to come up with a scan of the full e-mail, which had apparently been previously printed out and hand-annotated, as well as his strange willingness to publicly publish the full piece including the unredacted address of the third party. And that doesn’t explain how Scientology attorneys got the e-mail between Rathbun and Lemberger – which I thought was an issue that really bothered you. As a point of quick analysis, the only common party in both incidents of e-mails falling into Scientology’s hands, is Rathbun, who rather oddly refuses to answer questions about the incidents; if Haggis was taking both into account, though failing to state so clearly, it’s much less of a “false” choice when there are no plausible sources other than Rathbun.

Marty Watcher
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> And if they got that password, what other passwords did they get?

That’s a stretch, Alanzo. Someone hacking into one site is unlikely to find passwords from another. Think of Occam’s Razor — the simplest explanation is generally the right one. Marty made some kind of deal with the Co$ and he’s now working on Davey’s side. It’s the only explanation that fits all the data.

Doloras LaPicho
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In general terms, Occam’s Razor doesn’t apply to Scientology-related online shenanigans. The workings of OSA have succeeded in implanting rampant paranoia in the ASC. Hence Dan Koon thinking that someone else is writing Marty’s latest blog posts for him. The wildest speculations and leaps of logic are accepted if they accord with people’s prior prejudices (either “Marty disagrees with Tony Ortega therefore he is FILTHY TRAITOR”, or “Marty has been REPLACED BY A CLONE because OSA can do that kind of thing).

Doloras LaPicho
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As a woman of the female persuasion, I must once again put something on the record which seems to be neglected: the lawsuit was filed by Monique Rathbun. She must have agreed to its dismissal. Any argument that “Marty works for Miscavige now” must either argue that Monique does as well; or that Monique is totally dominated by Marty to the extent that she would throw away what Backpage Tony swears was a slam-dunk seven-figure payout. The first is extremely unlikely; the second is sexist as all get-out.

Marty Watcher
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“the lawsuit was filed by Monique Rathbun.” I think that was discussed by the lawyers he fired — they filed in Monique’s name, but it was all Marty. Honestly, that’s what I figured all along. A smart technique.

Doloras LaPicho
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So what you’re saying is that Monique has nothing to do with all this, that she didn’t need to be consulted before a lawsuit filed in her name was dropped? After she was interviewed in _Going Clear_ and stood beside Marty all through the Squirrel Busters stuff? I have to repeat: to argue that Marty has “switched” you have to argue that never-in, daughter-of-a-psych Monique has either also switched, or is completely cool with her husband using her name to pursue some feud or fraud or something. The latter is – I repeat – an essentially sexist notion that she is a pawn of her husband.

Marty Watcher
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“The latter is – I repeat – an essentially sexist notion that she is a pawn of her husband.”

I don’t think she’s a pawn; I think they’re a team. Which is exactly how it should be in a marriage.

Doloras LaPicho
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Okay. So what, do you think, would convince a never-in daughter of a psych to become an agent on the down-low of David Miscavige, a man whom she knows to a fact to have persecuted, beaten up etc. her husband for over 10 years?

Marie
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She has a child now.

chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03
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chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

Dear Alanzo,
I always presumed I could be hacked, bugged, etc, and not worry about it, but just change your communication style so that anything you say, is public record, 24/7, in your life. One can just expect everything one says or does, will rebound and cause reverberations and ramifications, and be willing to deal with your mistakes.
Admit and correct your mistakes, try make up for your damage.
I didn’t know that you were intimately knew of Scientology’s history of hacking like your wrote above.
thanks for that info.

Roger From Switzerland Thought
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Roger From Switzerland Thought

Honestly, I don’t get it.
And at the end I ‘m not interested to really understand it as in life I don’t care about senseless discussions and concentrate on construtivness.

People that had such high ideals, and wanted to help mankind degenerate in childish discussions with nearly as fanatic energy they had when they wanted to help mankind, about who is telling the truth,,who is lying or whois a bad apple etc.
We all were to a certain degree offenders and victims. So what ?
It seems to me that the game about Money, Power and control over People is still played outside the Church. The same People that were power Players are continuing their games just on another level, outside the church. Poor souls !

It seems there never was any real Intention to help, but just to sell hope and gain Power and Money.

I’ll never understand that people are disconnecting from their Family. This is only possible where there wasn’t a real Family in the first place. If any kid would disconnect from me, the only reaction would be “What did I do wrong ? How did I fail in teaching real love ? and I would accept it as a decison from that Person, even if she was put under duress by an E.O., while finally the Person itself did disconnect. Why blaming others for it ?

Why not use this energy to build a sane Society and educate People as millions of others do ?

End of Rant. A good dinner is waiting for me!

Eileen
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The Israeli lawyer, in court, described Rathbun as having given the Dani Lemberger email to him. That is evidence.

Richard
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Hacking might be the reason Marty switched his blog from dot wordpress to dot blog. Who knows. He might be making a living from donations to his blog from wealthy scn-ists. “Mr. Rathbun is defending my religion so I support him.”

Richard
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Members of the IAS “Platinum Victorious Club” certainly don’t isolate themselves from the internet. Their acquaintances and business associates would be aware of public criticism of Scn. Club members would have counters such as “That was all in the past and Scientology has reformed.”

Marty and Monique recently started an LLC, Limited Liability Corporation. A fresh start?

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