Should Scientology Critics Get Involved in Family Disconnection Conflicts?

This begins a new weekly feature here on AlanzosBlog.

Heresy, means “to choose”. Labeling certain ideas as heresy has been going on for a couple of  thousand years now. What’s so great about heresy is that it forces scrutiny of assumptions that too often remain hidden and unexamined. The consideration of heresy and heretical questions was what broke Alanzo free from Scientology.

That was one of my “successful actions” which worked like a bomb for me in thinking for myself again after Scientology, and ever since I have always regretted it when I quit asking heretical questions.

If there was ever a purpose for AlanzosBlog, it is for the promotion and celebration all kinds of heresy.

So, this blogpost is comprised of a blog post by “ZaneX”, a too infrequent poster here to AlanzosBlog.

It is a rant of the highest order, and it deserves it’s own post as our inaugural heresy of the week.

Enjoy.

“Disconnection” has and continues to be a classic case of anti-Scientologists making a mountain out of a molehill. For heavens sake, “disconnection” happens between Scientologists in good standing and quite frequently. One of the best examples is that of Tom Cruise and Michael Doven. Doven was Cruise’s personal and professional assistant for many years, beginning with “Far and Away” in 1992 and ending during production of “Collateral” in 2004. He even got himself producer credit on some of those films and a cameo in “Eyes Wide Shut”. But like most “production” assistants, he mostly ran daily errands. The guy literally did Cruise’s laundry and dry cleaning. But something happened (which may or may not have something to with allegations of Doven spying on him for Miscavige) and Cruise became sufficiently pissed off at Doven to not only fire him, but disconnect from him completely to the point that Cruise will not allow Doven to be anywhere near him. The “Freedom Medal of Valor” awarded to Cruise in 2004 was a direct result of this situation, as was the secret “scholarship award” that Miscavige granted to Doven to allow him to study the Basics, Congresses and ACCs full-time at Celebrity Centre and become the first Golden Age of Knowledge completion. I put that in quotations because it wasn’t really a scholarship award; Doven not only did not have to pay for the massive number of courses to complete the entire Golden Age of Knowledge line-up, but he was actually paid a generous living allowance since he had to be on course full-time 7 days a week and Doven isn’t exactly wealthy.

That’s just one example. There’s many others, like the dozens of Scientologists I know who disconnected from Grant Cardone and consider him a vulture and charlatan. Like the Cruise/Doven flap, as long as they keep their grievances on the downlow and don’t air them publicly (including within Scientology itself) and limit them to proper terminals, it’s considered a legit action. Why? Because according to Church policy, a Scientologists has the right to communicate or not communicate with anyone they choose.

Anti-Scientology zealots like Ortega, as you’ve so clearly indicated, deliberately ignore the fact that the Church does not and cannot put a gun to anyone’s head. They can’t “force” anyone to do anything. They can sure as hell try to coerce people, but that’s as far as they can take it and the worst thing they can do to someone who refuses to disconnect from an anti-Scientology family member is not allow them to continue in Scientology. And if they’re refusing to disconnect from someone who hates Scientology, they’re already on their way out, whether they’re aware of it or not.

I think you might actually be the first person I’ve encountered among all the former Scientologists who write a blog that raises this basic issue, that the bizarre zealotry of Ortega and his ilk in demanding (!) that Scientologists must maintain connections with their Scientology-hating parents or relatives is beyond irrational. They also ignore the fact that Ethics Officers always go out of their way to keep the peace within families and advise disconnection as an absolute last resort. That’s Hubbard’s own policy, right there. Hubbard even did a recording, “Can We Ever Be Friends?” to that effect. I was in the Sea Org for years and each and every case that I observed or was involved with where disconnection was a possibility, it was always the anti-Scientology family member that refused to compromise in the name of keeping the peace.

Case in point, the recent obsession Ortega has with Phil Jones and his billboard campaign. I personally know Mike Jones and I know for a fact that he doesn’t want anything to do with his parents. According to Mike (who isn’t “missing”, just like Shelly Miscavige isn’t “missing” — what is it with Ortega and his idiot fans?), his parents hate Scientology with a passion and insist that he and his sister leave. According to Mike, and he’s told me his sister concurs, his parents have consistently refused to shut the hell up about their problems with Scientology and every time they talked with him or his sister, they would always keep demanding that they both leave Scientology.

If Phil Jones could actually have a civilized conversation with his son and daughter without constantly, obsessively dumping on Scientology and demanding they leave the Sea Org and even worse, join them on their anti-Scientology crusade, there’d be no problem and no disconnection! It’s that simple.

But Ortega is a mentally sick individual who hates Scientology to such an extreme that he would never in a million years even acknowledge the possibility that Phil Jones and his wife are actually the problem, not Scientology or David Miscavige or L. Ron Hubbard.

Let me be emphatically clear: Mike Jones, who is not missing and who does not wish to leave the Sea Org, does not want anything to do with his parents, and he has the absolute right not to communicate with them.

I’m certain this is also true of most other Scientologists who have chosen to disconnect from their anti-Scientology parents or relatives. They have every right to leave Scientology, but they sure as hell don’t have the right to subject their kids or family members who remain Scientologists in good standing to a constant barrage of anti-Scientology propaganda and demonizing.

So, to those parents who keep crying and whining to Tony Ortega, the formula to use in avoiding the possibility of disconnection is this: have enough respect for your children to shut the hell up about Scientology when you’re talking with them, and also have enough respect for them as Scientologists in good standing to not be in contact with a bigot like Tony Ortega. That’s all. Agree to disagree on the subject of Scientology and just avoid discussion about it, and don’t hang out with mentally sick losers like Tony Ortega.

Like most things in life, it really is that simple.”

First published here.

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Eileen
Guest

ZaneX has a mean streak that is a mile wide.
No heresy posted here, nothing to respond to. just the same tired drivel that the church puts out intermittently on this topic.

Miss Tia
Guest

Not Scientology related, but Scientology critic related–if you can call the bunker critics, for sake of argument, lets do so.

I cannot recall the specific circumstance where/when I brought this up, I know it was long before the billboard campaign. I don’t think it was a ‘well known/widely published’ disconnection story, such as the Jones, Lori Hodgen [sic?], etc. Anyway, I made a comment along the lines that I had essentially ‘disconnected’ from my entire biological family due to the extreme abuse my ‘mother’ subjected me to. My ‘father’ didn’t stop it, relatives knew she was very mentally unstable, no one helped me, so adios all of ’em.

The responses were supportive of me, that I had had to do that to get away from that toxicity, etc. I then mentioned that perhaps in some disconnection cases the family member felt the same way. Oops! That’s totally different, apples to oranges, those people are wrong to do that, etc. Back in line I got, shamefully.

I think everyone has had a circumstance in their life where they’ve cut someone off. Be it permanently or temporarily. Why can’t they view Scientology disconnection like that? Cuz some people ::cough::Ortega::cough:: fan the flames, beat the drum, and drill into their followers that’s it’s evil and wrong. It shouldn’t exist, just like Scientology. They don’t realize the hypocrisy when they themselves disconnect from people, such as myself, for daring to publicly write about how I felt and viewed the bunker after I had detached myself. I’m not the only one they’ve done that to, but I can only speak for myself.

Eileen
Guest

Xanax, where are you? You nailed your poorly reasoned diatribe to the wall, then ran and hid.
From your writing we can deduce a few things:
-Your “mansplaining” writing style indicates male over 50 (apologies to the men over 50 who don’t do this).
-You use many psychiatric terms (obsessive, mentally sick) about people whom you do not (presumably) know.
-You present “insider” information without regard for confidentiality.
-You made a point of dropping in the Shelley Mis. Information, trying to make it appear casual. You know something about her.
-You are casually cruel, which indicates you enjoy seeing people cry. You may be a sociopath. If not, you were “trained” in sociopathic logic.
-You are intelligent and crafty, but not wise.
-You are not accustomed to being questioned, you like to lay out the “truth”
-You rely on a tightly “reasoned” version of reality, it does not recognize the distinction between logic and truth.
-You have no understanding of the real critic world, you probably thought that the Ortega Calvary would crash down the doors. Silly boy, you haven’t figured out that you are irrelevant.
Ergo: Alanzo, I think you pulled in one of the big fish!
Hi Davy!

Gib
Guest

yah, there are no clears or OT’s, to answer your post title.

definition of heresy: “a belief or opinion that does not agree with the official belief or opinion of a particular religion ”

ok, lets consider stats. How many clears and OT’s are there?

Where are they?

How many people from the get go of 1950’s dianetics, where are they, who are they?

How many people from the development of dianetics and scientology?, where are they?

From my research all the original people involved are gone and not part of the crowd scientology, in fact many have come out from hiding speaking their minds.

But who are the folks speaking their minds in present? Are they the original founders?

Richard
Guest

Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing
Where have all the flowers gone, long time ago

(I don’t recall the rest of the lyrics right now)

Gib
Guest

Alonzo, you said in your post “Heresy, means “to choose”

Where did you get that definition from?

Gib
Guest

Alanzo, you said in your post “Heresy, means “to choose””

Where did you get that definition from?

Claire M Swazey
Guest

Hmm…the cult often crosses the line from coercion to force. DM hits people. Staff often physically prevent people from leaving. People have been physically pushed and taken to the RPF. Those are things that happen in the SO more than in orgs and missions but they do happen and it IS force.

So maybe Zane should start listening to Tony Ortega.,

Richard
Guest

In the old days, pre DM, I never experienced any abuse in two years as a mission staff auditor. The only abuse, if you want to call it that, was that most of the money coming in went “uplines” resulting in minimal pay.

Richard
Guest

I’ll join in on the heresy. If ZaneX is John Sugg, then it’s nice to know that he’s not in The Hole (if The Hole still exists.) He’s a good writer and is probably paid well. Also, if he’s reading all the scn blogs, then I know that at least one person is reading my comments. Hi John!

Miss Tia
Guest

I’ll say “Hi John” too! In a way, I owe John Sugg a big thank you. It was because I dared to question someone in the bunker ‘in crowd’ for making a fat shaming shoop of Sugg, that lead me to finally permanently sever my connection with the bunker. THANK YOU!!! You should not have been fat shamed. They, in the bunker, were being hypocritical about it, the shooper twisted things, I got attacked, then attempts to get me back in line, and SNAP! Connection severed!!

The connection by that point was barely a thin string, but it was a strong thin string.

Richard
Guest

I reread ZaneX’s post, and, you know, there is a sincerity in what he wrote. Yes, there is some righteous indignation. I can imagine myself writing something similar if I were still a true believer.

Richard
Guest

If ZaneX is truthful about knowing Mike Jones personally, that would in all probability indicate that ZaneX is a member in good standing in the CoS. He may simply be a person who is satisfied with his own pursuit of happiness and was appreciative that he could express himself on Alanzo’s blog, hopefully without undue criticism. He got a full scale investigation!

Richard
Guest

My above comment was in keeping with the “Heresy” theme. In actuality I am currently unable to maintain cosmic consciousness about being nice to cults, ideologies, scn, and most scn-ists. It needs work.

Eileen
Guest

Thank goodness, for a minute there I thought we had lost you.

Richard
Guest

Laughter – Hi Eileen! – Scn-ists are dead serious. Anti scn-ists are dead serious. Anti-Anti scn-ists just want to have fun. 🙂

P.S. Alanzo – So far today I’ve changed the bedding, vacuumed the upstairs, mopped the kitchen floor and later I’ll mow the lawn and take the dog for a walk. I’m not an internet addict.

Richard
Guest

oops – I don’t mean to be flippant. Many people have experienced hardships and few people find value in the current incarnation of the CoS. The degree of activism. I suppose, is what’s under consideration.

Richard
Guest

Marty posted this song within one of his blog posts awhile back – nice, joyful
India Arie and Raul Midon “Back to the Middle”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=355rFCfDsRE

Richard
Guest

Speaking of disconnection, Rollins Band “Disconnection”

“Don’t like to think too much, it makes me think too much, it keeps my mind on my mind. . . .I want to disconnect myself, I wanna pull my brainstem out, and unplug myself, I want nuthin right now.” LOL

https;//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3w5eZRoOY4

Richard
Guest

Correction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3w5eZRoOY4

Also, Rollins is an ex scn-ist. I met him at the Celebrity Center years ago and we became BFF.

(fake news, but Rollins could definitely follow the thinking of any Ex. He’s got it figured out – lol)

Richard
Guest

I’m changing my opinion again on Zane. I forgot that he made comments on the “Disconnection? Really? . . .” topic. As is his right, he made no statement about his status within the CoS or relationship with the CoS. His main point was the embarrassment and trouble the Billboard Campaign caused Mike Jones whom he knows. He’s certainly not the only person who has an “intense dislike” of Tony Ortega. He also made one or two logical, in my opinion, statements in defense of the CoS such as low staff turnover at some locations. I hope he comes back, but even on Alanzo’s blog he’s an army of one in any defense of the CoS and may not bother.

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