FOR THOSE LEAVING THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY

For 15 years after leaving Scientology, I’d been bumping up against something. I was too frequently at odds with people I thought were doing the same things I was doing – trying to tell the truth about Scientology.

That assumption of mine was wrong. The Anti-Scientology community is not trying to tell the truth about Scientology. They are simply doing whatever they can to discredit Scientology and get people in society to help to destroy it – without regard to the truth.

Any time I’d question an anti-­Scientology claim or write about something not within the strict narrative of the Anti-Cult agenda, I would be banned or threatened with banning from whatever venue I was writing in. Any time I stayed within the narrative, I was praised and welcomed into its “highest levels”.

Anti-Scientologists/Anti-Cultists are looking for people to express the most damning narrative against the cult in the most damning way it can be expressed. They want people to develop messaging that will attract other people to their cause and to help them to destroy Scientology – whether that messaging is true or not.

There are real abuses that the Church of Scientology has committed on their own members, and on their critics. But most of the atrocity stories are over-hyped and over-blown. And some are downright false. But you can never state this openly in an anti-Scientology forum. It is simply not tolerated.

For anyone leaving the Church of Scientology, it is extremely important to always seek to live with the truth. After 15 years of experience, I have concluded that you can not seek to live with the truth in a group of Anti-Cultists.

This is why I write this: If you are just leaving the Church of Scientology and want to find out what happened to you while you were in, DO NOT become an “Ex-Scientologist” in a forum run by Anti-Scientologists.

The truth about Scientology is BOTH the good and the bad.

For your own good, and for your own continued and constructive evolution after Scientology, stay out of Internet forums and blogs that can not tolerate BOTH the good and the bad of Scientology to be discussed.

There will be much more about this on my blog in the coming weeks.

Alanzo

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John Doe
Guest

A wise friend of mine, who left the church around the same time as I, related a story of a conversation he’d had with a guy about Scientology.

“So you’re an ex-scientologist, then,” asked the guy.

“Not exactly,” replied my friend.

“Really?” said the guy. “From the way you were talking, I’d say you were definitely an ex-scientologist.”

“Well, it’s like this,” responded my friend. “If you identify yourself first as a Scientologist, and then leave the church and become an ex-scientologist, you’re still a scientologist.”

I agree. You’ve become the opposite side of the same coin. You’ve become the black to the white. You thereby deny yourself the infinite shades of grey that make up life.

Gib
Guest

well, who is this wise friend and what’s makes him wise? This is a question of ethos. And why should I believe you without proof, or logos?

John Doe
Guest

Gib. It’s about labels and who you have to be to be considered to be [label]. And trying to fit yourself to be [label]. And then learning what others expect of [label] and then modifying your behavior to fit.

If you’re a scientoligist or an ex-scientologist, you’ve handed over to Hubbard to define who or what you are and who or what you can’t be.

Lone Star
Guest

“Most of the atrocity stories are over-hyped and overblown”.

I could’ve agreed with the above assertion if you had used the word “some” instead of “most”. Are you stating this as a provable fact or just your opinion? I’m thinking opinion because it cannot be proved that “most” atrocity stories are over-hyped.

Eileen
Guest

Describing them as overhyped or overblown assumes the same attitude that the Church uses. “Never happened, wasn’t like that, and besides we don’t do that any more, ancient history”

The Oracle
Guest

Hark! The middle path? It is a very lonely road. Unless of course, you are good company to yourself.

Virginia McClaughry
Guest

@oracle.

lol

More like the straight path.

Gib
Guest

I like the middle path, even employed it before scientology, I’m defining middle path in the sense of being friendly with people whether we agree or not.

I’m very comfortable with myself, always have been, I’m not sure why others are not. Although thru scientology I thought I was not. False promise I say. Thank god I left that mindset.

I actually have traveled across the USA on a motorcycle, from one end to the other, not in one trip but from two trips from the midwest, the cornfields, one trip to the east, one trip to the west. Saw both ocean sides.

All by lonesome. A Walkabout you might say.

Claire M Swazey
Guest

I’ve been on the middle path ever since I left CofS. This generated some criticism but worked out best in the long run.

Gib
Guest

cool Claire.

When it comes to the CofS I don’t employ middle path, there is a difference.

The Hubbard and CofS do not employ the middle path.

Lone Star
Guest

It seems to me that most people who’ve been in and out of the cult did not suffer an actual atrocity. That word describes something very extreme and even violent. I certainly did not suffer an atrocity. But I was also not in the Sea Org, which is where an atrocity is most likely to occur. Also, the closer in proximity that you are to David Miscavige the higher the possibility that you may suffer one. Most rank and file members who go to their local org and perhaps a trip or two to Flag will not suffer what can be accurately described as an atrocity. I think the number one negative affect of being in the cult is financial hardship and disaster. That is something that is quite common for obvious reasons.

On ESMB most former members of the cult share their stories of massive debt, home loss, disconnection, lost years in productivity due to going “up the bridge”, suffering a negative effect from processing, extreme asshole staff members, etc… It’s the former SO members who tend to have the tales of atrocities. I never had the impression that any of them exaggerated. But that’s only my impression. The Lisa McPherson story is different in that it was litigated in the public eye and it was a very sad story. Yes many wanted to make it into a murder case, which it wasn’t. It was a case of negligent homicide caused by applying the tech standardly.

Eileen
Guest

“. It was a case of negligent homicide caused by applying the tech standardly.”
Excellent.

Virginia McClaughry
Guest

“share their stories of massive debt, home loss, disconnection, lost years in productivity due to going “up the bridge”, ”

All of which they did willingly, which may be the hardest part for people to face. Of course, did it ever occur to anyone that those things would be worth it IF scientology was what it said it was?

It’s that IF that was the killer.

Valkov
Guest

I personally doubt that it was “caused by applying the tech standardly”. This is because I do believe that David Miscavige in particular does not and never has “applied tech standardly”. This is no exception. As lone star stated, the closer people were to Miscavige, the more likely they were to suffer “atrocities”. This is just my opinion. I have not investigated the Introspection Rundown, but I have read contrary accounts of its standard application, in which the people receiving it were pleased with it. So I question that int was applied “standardly” to Lisa. Or whether it was even the correct C/S for her, given it was Miscavige who C/Sed it.

Eileen
Guest

It would be interesting to gather information from exes about what they wish they had known when they left. What was most helpful, least helpful, what do they wish they had known, if they could give one piece of advice what would it be?

Claire M Swazey
Guest

I’d have liked to know about the meanness to members, the abuses and the broken promises.

Doloras LaPicho
Guest

This is true. Tony Ortega has a word for people who tell the truth about Scientology in a way which DOESN’T help bring it down – “carrying water for the cult”.

Claire M Swazey
Guest

I’d thought he was smarter than that. I’d have to see the context.

Doloras LaPicho
Guest

“Anyone who advocates a more objective, intelligent discussion on Scientology is quickly labelled and treated as an enemy by ASC members. Even outsiders simply reporting newsworthy facts. For example, Ortega ragged on TMZ chief Harvey Levin for months because his outlet reported the fact of the prosecution of a man who made death threats against Scientology’s leader. Ortega publically denounced Levin for “carrying water” for Scientology. Apparently in the head of the ASC’s daily anti-scientology meme creator, the only good Scientologist is a dead one. ”

Source: https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2016/10/05/the-only-good-scientologist/

Eileen
Guest

That is Marty’s take, and it is part of his anti-Ortega rant. TMZ has a very odd history with how they report on Scientology. I have wondered whether Levin is an ex.

Eileen
Guest

We have noticed that about you…

Valkov
Guest

Other than dismissing it as “part of his anti-Ortega rant”, is there anything in the quote you specifically disagree with? Or does your hero-worship of Ortega prevent you from identifying anything like that?

Eileen
Guest

About Ortega, You best be kidding!
Interesting that you would wonder if I was OSA. What about my communication would make you think that.?

Eileen
Guest

I’ve never thought you were OSA. I wouldn’t have spent time and genuine energy communicating on this site. I have seen people suggest that about you, but it also seems to be the thing to say when they dont agree with someone.
Nazi youth vs Bridge??? No recollection of this.

You last line is the best one, I second that emotion! Maybe you are moving on to your ex-ex-ex-Scientology phase!

Richard
Guest

Virginia – Somewhere on another topic you posted a link to your blog. I sidetracked onto “The Connection Between Scientology and Synanon” Great stuff! I just spent an hour playing in that rabbit hole – laughter There were so many New Age cults going on back then that if scn hadn’t snagged me, another one would have.

Claire Swazey
Guest

I went to an event years ago-a joint one in NYC- put on by Shannon and CofS. It was about their claims of being unjustly attacked.

Claire M Swazey
Guest

Oops-that should say Synanon

Eileen
Guest

You know that Shannon, she is a troublemaker! 😉

Claire M Swazey
Guest

LOL!!

Valkov
Guest

Good post Al. Of course the ASC will and do say vehemently that they ARE telling the “truth about scientology”.

Rob
Guest

Using words like “most” to describe ex scientologists as liars does not sit well with me as that is an extreme generality. So far I have not found that to be the case so if you are going to make statements like that, then prove it with examples. I am an ex scientologist who still uses the tech but am also against the current leadership and squirreled tech. And I can totally understand those who were harmed by the cofs being anti…..

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