For the second time in many months, I personally, and politely, asked Marty Rathbun how that email ended up in the hands of Scientology attorneys, and in court against Dani Lemberger. I told him that if I only knew the answer to this, that I could assist him in getting his answer out to others, and to help him get it understood.
Marty refused to answer that question, again.
I agree here with Tony Ortega and Dani Lemberger that, until that question gets answered satisfactorily, no one should trust or listen to Marty Rathbun.
Alanzo
I would LOVE to hear what happens with that lawsuit, what is the judge verdict, any important decisions on the case?!?
I have a theory. Dani Lemberger together with his wife, Tami Lemberger are agents of the Church, and they work together with Marty. And all of this lawsuit crap is a big lie just so Dani can earn a badge that he sued the Church. Where are the results of the suit then???
I’ve been trying to come up with a logical opinion on the “Marty Topic” but I just can’t do it. All I can say is that for better or worse he keeps things interesting in ScioWorld. I do think his references to groupthink by whatever word or terminology has caused some people to become more aware of themselves, their thinking, which cross references more areas of life than just scn. You too, Alanzo. 🙂
Spot on Richard!
Welcome to AlanzosBlog, Megan! 🙂
Okay, I’ve heard of the Dror Center, I didn’t recognize the name Lemberger. Been out of the Sci-watching loop awhile. Couldn’t find much on an email though. This is just befuddling why you or Ortega need this answered. It’d be understandable for Lemberger to question that if it impacted his lawsuit.
I don’t think Marty needs help getting his answer out or getting him understood. He can speak very well for himself.
I’m disagreeing with you, and will continue to listen/watch Marty’s videos as they come out. I also have no reason not to trust him. I don’t think anyone should go around telling people who they should/should not trust/listen to. Maybe you should explain how/why you did a 180 on Marty in the past couple days? How/why you’re agreeing with Ortega after going on attack mode towards him the other day? Would you claim that’s personal and you don’t have to share your thought process? That’d be a valid acceptable answer, yet you want Marty to go above and beyond what you’d expect of others and/or yourself.
Don’t bother to answer, if you unscreen this. I sincerely wish you the best. I’m out.
Jeez La-weeze, Miss Tia!
I have agreed with some things that Tony writes and disagreed with others. And have said so in each case.
And I have agreed with some things that Marty writes and disagreed with others. And said so there as well.
Ideas are not package deals. Nor is there any kind of pledge of allegiance to any person here. Ideas should be considered on a case by case basis, no matter who they come from.
I’ve written about this situation, repeatedly, and we have seen this situation before in Scientology.
It is serious.
Marty can easily clear this up. And as with so much that goes on with Scientology I am sure the story is far from black and white and extremely convoluted. I have been willing to hear every bit of it and do my best to give Marty the benefit of the doubt. But he has given me literally nothing to trust or believe, and lots to be very suspicious about – despite my repeated attempts to find out in very good faith.
Dozens, maybe hundreds, of people came out of the Church and reached out to Marty Rathbun and trusted him as a spiritual counselor. And if he was just another Church false flag operation, meant to gather dirt and destroy Indies, Exes and critics, that’s pretty fucking evil. And, if that’s true, then I don’t care what Marty Rathbun has to say about anything ever again.
HOWEVER: This could ALSO be a classic Church dead agent caper, meant to destroy Marty’s credibility. I’ve seen them run that on critics like Marty repeatedly as well.
When Monique wrote her filing to the court for why she dropped her lawsuit, and presented her reasoning in doing so, it made total sense to me. I have re-copied and argued for her reasons to drop her lawsuit repeatedly despite so many people disagreeing with me and even accusing me of being a cult shill.
I got banned from Tony Ortega’s blog, in large part, arguing for Monique’s position and against Tony Ortega’s version of events.
So if Marty presented his reasoning and experiences regarding Dani Lemberger’s email, I would definitely consider it, and he knows that.
He hasn’t though, despite repeated attempts from me to get it. The stakes are too high on this to do anything else but look for evidence. And the only evidence that exists so far is what Dani Lemberger reports from his own trial.
And that is not looking good for Marty.
Maybe he, and you Miss Tia, think that I should just be loyal and allegiant to Marty Rathbun, and dub-in whatever evidence props him up.
Sorry. Been there, done that.
It is time now for Marty to answer the question, or go to hell.
Well said! Now eat that we’ll deserved lunch, Miss Tia!
I have to admit I don’t know anything about Dani Lemberger’s Trial or an email, or even who Mr/s Lemberger is. I will ask Mr. Google about that after I fix some lunch. Did this just suddenly happen? It seems a jolting change from the post of his video the other day.
No, it happened a couple of months ago.
By “refused to answer”, do you mean that he did not respond to your request or that there was a conversation and he actually considered and rejected the idea of replying to you about this.
There was a short email conversation and during that email conversation he avoided the question – very obviously – and instead chose to say something dismissive and denigrating about me instead.
The last time I asked him, many months ago, he simply replied that he “did not give a damn any more”.
He’s definitely not answering this question – on purpose.
The problem is that this is very important for lots of people, not just for the credibility, or not, of Marty Rathbun.