Another Ex-Scientologist Quits Tony Ortega’s Underground Bunker

This happened this morning:

RandomSP • 2 hours ago
O/T but speaking of the right to be forgotten…

Or, more correctly, “the right to forget”…

I am taking my leave of the Bunker and of all things Scientology. I am exercising my right to forget Scientology as regards reading about it, following the doings, etc. Scientology has been a part of my life for 40 years. I was fairly active for about 25, inactive for 5, then majorly out for the last 10 years. Declared SP for posting on the internet about 5 years ago.

One reason I stayed connected was for the sake of my son, whom I co-parented with his mother who is still very much in. He split his time between my home and his mother’s home in another state. Well, that is over now. He is living with me full-time and is well inoculated against following other family members into the Sea Org and pretty well inoculated against Scientology in general. He can probably thank his mother and her husband for his aversion to Scientology more than he can thank me. Which leads to another point…

I hold what may be a somewhat unpopular view among many here. I, personally, found much of value in Scientology. For me, it is a good philosophical match. Not talking about Xenu or BTs, of which I, perhaps thankfully, have no personal experience. Talking about Body, Mind, Spirit; the technical approach such as ARCU, things like that. I have no interest in studying more Scientology or going up any “Bridge to Total Freedom” but a certain Scientological viewpoint is part of my permanent inner landscape and I am fine with that. I tell my son that I would have no problem being a member of Scientology if it were not run as a destructive cult but it is and that is not changing

But enough of that. I just wanted to take my leave and say “so long” to Tony and the folks here. I have enjoyed reading and occasionally posting here and truly appreciate the work that Tony does. As I mentioned some time ago, I will send Tony my somewhat extensive collection of critical books and he can use or give them away as he pleases.

Adios, amigos!
RandomSP

What was Tony Ortega’s reply?

He’s so understanding of what it is like to be an Ex-Scientologist, don’t you think?

The need to get away, as expressed by RandomSP and so many other Exes, comes from the realization of how hysterically negative the Internet is for an Ex-Scientologist.

I am coming to realize that it is the influence of the Anti-Cult Movement that is causing this
worst possible trap to get stuck in after leaving a religious or spiritual pursuit like Scientology.

Very unfortunately, the Anti-Cult Movement‘s hysterically negative, non-scientific, and victimizing viewpoints dominate the landscape for Ex-scientologists right now.

The work of social scientists can provide a much more grounded and constructive path forward for an Ex after Scientology.

I’m going to continue to try to provide their ideas here on this blog for Exes.

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gtsix
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gtsix

Do you understand joking? RandomSP does, as RandomSP upvoted Ortega’s comment.

Miss Tia
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Miss Tia

If you read this RandomSP, your post was articulate, very clear, and classy. You of course didn’t owe them an explanation, but you did it anyway. You know you aren’t a quitter. Some times it’s just time to move forward and beyond.

Richard
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Very nicely said, Miss Tia 🙂

Richard
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Tony lost a customer. Oh well. He’ll probably pick up a few more after the next Aftermath episodes. I missed the upvote which gtsix mentions (thanks gtsix) so it’s probable that Tony was joking. A dozen people wished RandomSP well after Tony’s comment.

As was mentioned on an earlier topic, ex-scientology can be sticky. Participating in scn was just too darn interesting. My bet is that RandomSp will show up again somewhere, hopefully here – lol

Claire M Swazey
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Claire M Swazey

Tony, I believe, knows I still hold and attribute some value to some of the stuff I studied in Scn.

He’s always treated me quite nicely.

Jim Dandy
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Jim Dandy

Everyone who replied to RandomSP wished him well over at the Bunker. Obviously Tony’s reply of “quitter” was both a joke and tongue-in-cheek. RandomSP got it because he upvoted it.

Richard
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Thinking it over, he could have said something like “Thanks for your participation”. The tongue- in- cheek “Quitter” was a bit like a call to arms for the rest of the troops.

Miss Tia
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Miss Tia

I agree. And just because they upvoted it, doesn’t mean they felt comfortable with it–they might have, I am not trying to imply I know how they took because I don’t. When you are caught up in that atmosphere and are trying to leave gracefully, as they were, it could have been trying to be a good sport about it while seething to themselves.

Unless they tell us how they felt about the comment, all we can do is assume, and it’s probably not fair to them to do that. They don’t owe us, or anyone, an explanation how they felt about Ortega’s comment.

I do agree though Richard, it’s not above Ortega to do something like that to rally the troops. How dare someone leave! If people had their email address, I bet the love bombing has commenced.

Richard
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RandomSP made his departure from the Anti Cult Movement “public”. Will he now need to do “conditions” or something if he wants to get back in?
(joke)

Richard
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A big realization for me came before Marty or Alanzo started posting about the Anti Scn Cult or Anti Cult Movement. Over a year ago on Mike Rinder’s blog a discussion was going on dumping on some aspect of scn. A free thinking scn-ist from Australia posted counter arguments which, to me, made perfect sense. It was an “aha” moment for me and I pretty much quit singing with the choir after that.

TexasBroad
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TexasBroad

Miss Tia,
RandomSP’s post was lovely and I believe, well received and anyone who doesn’t hate Tony got his jest, including RandomSP.
Re The love bombing you got – was just love actually. I didn’t know you well, but I do know people sincerely cared for you. You can discard that but it is true that, but they truly did.

statpush
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statpush

Part of the problem with this whole area is – poorly defined terms and labels.

I WAS a Scnist for 30 years. Now I am a declared SP. But what does that mean? Depends on who you ask. To me, it simply means I am no longer a card-carrying member of the Church of Scientology. From the church’s perspective I am evil, intent on destroying mankind’s only hope.

I WAS an Ex-Scnist. For years I slung mud with the best of them. Today, less so.

Maybe I was a member of the Anti-Cult Movement and didn’t know it. Who knows? Never got my membership card in the mail.

Now that I got all that out of my system, I feel I am able to rationally and objectively engage in discussions on the subject. Does that make me a Scientology Sympathizer? Maybe. Ask me if I care.

It feels like there is a honeymoon period with the ACM after a person leaves the church. Its immersive and consuming. And I got a lot out of it. It helped me unravel decades of Scn indoctrination. For that I am grateful.

But after years of participation, I’ve grown tired of the same old arguments. There is less value in that discussion.

Going one step further…should I participate in the analysis and critique of the ACM? Possibly. Or I may pickup a hobby. I already know they are not “my group”, which leaves me in pure spectator mode.

So, today I stand as a non-Scientologist. I am no longer an apostate, I’m not an ex, I’m not an apologist, I’m not a Suppressive Person (honest). I’m back to being my loner self, enjoying life without a tribe.

Richard
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statpush – You really nailed it here. I followed your path almost exactly with the exception that I only spent about four years total in scn studying, auditing and about two years as mission staff. I only started following the scn blogs after watching Going Clear. In general it seems the two main variables for people would be the time spent in scn and the time spent on the blogs.

Richard
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Anyone reading one or two of Tony’s topics and the following comments would realize it’s not a be nice to scn and scn-ists blog. Tony’s quip about “quitter” might just be a simple acknowledgement of that, nothing sinister intended.

Just for conversation, Alanzo saying scn is the kindergarten of religious and spiritual pursuit, well, yes and no. Without realizing it most of us were getting an intro to:
Freudian therapy, occultism, gnosticism, past life regression, Buddhism, psychology, psychotherapy, drug education, and communication theory (did I leave anything out? lol)

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