The legendary critic of Scientology who posts under the name “Veda” on ESMB has unearthed a couple quotes from Mike Rinder which show the change he has undergone in the last few years as he continues to live life outside the cult.
Below, back in late 2012, there was a discussion of what L Ron Hubbard knew about the operations against Paulette Cooper on Marty Rathbun’s blog, and in this series of exchanges Mike responded to someone who believed that LRH was directing those operations, or at least knew about them.
Not sure where you get your information from that LRH approved operations against Paulette Cooper or Gabe Cazares? Or are you asserting this based on the logic of “it was his organization so therefore he knew”?
mrinder December 17, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Clearly you didn’t know Mary Sue Hubbard. If you had you would understand how silly this is. He is the LAST person on earth she would tell about illegal actions. Your assumptions are just that, and certainly not based on anything other than “Most dogs are brown. He has a dog. Therefore his dog is brown.” The outpoint in your conclusion is “assume similarities are not similar.”
mrinder December 17, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Yeah, that’s Tonja Burden. Who filed a civil case trying to collect money. There was TONS of shredding done in the paranoia to eradicate anything that gave ANY connection between LRH and the GO. It was nuts and unreal. But I do not believe ANY documents ever indicated any connection between LRH and an “operative” doing some illegal act.
But this is a debate that is pointless continuing. It’s unprovable either way. And no matter what I say, it won’t satisfy those who wish to believe otherwise.
Then, from a year and a half ago:
mrinder on March 11, 2014 at 1:48 pm
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Just for starters, DM most certainly was Action Chief CMO Int. For MANY years. It was where he gained the trust of LRH and LRH started calling him “Misc” and addressing despatches to him that way. One of the few people that LRH addressed on despatches with cc’s to their nickname. Miscavige was NOT Mission IC of “Special Project”, Terri Gamboa was. Miscavige was “Special Pjt Ops” (as in Mission Operator).
Ron absolutely abolished the GO. The Exec Strata was formed and the issues written about it before the formation of OSA. I had personal conversations with LRH about the disbandment of the GO and his desire to see it eradicated entirely as it had become a liability. You do not think that the GO was disbanded without his knowledge and Guardian PL canceled etc etc etc. Where are the docs? They don’t exist, remember, LRH was trying to avoid being connected in any way to the actions of the GO or Mary Sue, he was an unindicted co-conspirator.
Nothing was in writing. And though he had expressed a LOT of disgust about the GO during the “Confront of Evil” period and the formation of the Office of Evaluation and Execution, where it came up routinely that GO staff were employing org staff in their personal business, the reason for disbanding the GO was that they were not protecting him from criminal and civil liability. He considered they had betrayed him (inclusive of Mary Sue).
The idea that he knew nothing about Snow White and the illegal acts that were ongoing is tantamount to saying L. Ron Hubbard was blind, unaware and incapable of spotting an outpoint. That was NOT the case. He was briefed by Mary Sue every single day at lunch during the heyday of the GO Ops — in detail. If she didnt tell him “Joe Blow infiltrated the IRS and got documents” she told him what they knew (if you don’t believe he expected to be briefed about everything the GO was doing, then you also give him less credit than he deserved, he was not one not to be curious) and he would have figured it out. Believe me, the programs and actions written to implement Snow White WERE know[n] and authorized all the way to the top.
LRH directed exactly what was to be done at the Mission Holders Conference in SFO following the one in Clearwater. The whole thing was recorded so it could be sent to him. He listened to it, sent Miscavige and the others commendations and ordered that the entire transcript be published.
The only explanation for the change was a change in what Mike Rinder was willing to say. In the top quote he’s covering for Ron Hubbard. In the bottom quote he’s not covering for Ron Hubbard.
That’s a change, a major change, and a change in the right direction. From my observations such changes have been ongoing and continuing, which is why I’m optimistic that more changes are to come.
When he could possibly bring down the house of cards, Rinder is just making it quiver, which is still exciting to watch, but somewhat disappointing.
Compare those quotes and see the level of detail that Mike Rinder is now willing to give.
The story back in 2010 was that Mike and Marty went to the FBI to give them information on Miscavige and Scientology.
I wonder if they went back to the FBI today, how much more they would be willing to say?