Scientology Tax Exemption: Everything You Need to Know to Get It Revoked

Gerry Armstrong, the most fairgamed person in Scientology history, who was named 145 times in Mike Rinder’s, Marty Rathbun’s and David Miscavige’s fraud-filled and defamatory filings for the Church of Scientology’s IRS tax exemption, lays out in the following interview what can be done.

HERE’S THE FULL TRANSCRIPT OF GERRY’S INTERVIEW WITH ME:

Alanzo
Hello! It’s Alanzo from AlanzosBlog.com. I was 16 years in Scientology 15 years in anti Scientology. And now I’ve been eight years out of both, writing about each.

I’m here with Gerry Armstrong tonight and we are going to have a discussion about a correct understanding of Scientology tax exemption and how people can be effective in doing something about it. And so, Gerry, as I understand it, there’s been a lot of really false information about Scientology tax exemption, which has given everybody a kind of dysfunctional idea about how to proceed in challenging their tax exemption.

So can you start off by by letting us know the types of things that have been said over the years that gives everyone a kind of dysfunctional understanding, which is going to get in the way of being able to do something about their tax exemption?

Gerry Armstrong
Oh, sure. And first of all, I must say that I am not a lawyer, and nothing that I say, should be construed as legal advice.

Alanzo
Me too. Me too.

Arguing Scientology is Not A Religion Does Nothing To Revoke Scientology Tax Exemption

Gerry Armstrong
Okay. So first, first off, one of the things that people have tried to do over the years, is attack the tax exemption on the basis of Scientology’s not being a religion, and that cannot be done. And that is because the US Federal Government has stated that only an organization itself, not the government, not non-members, can determine that it is a religion.

Scientology or Scientologists determined that their organization is a religion, and that’s it. That is the reality in the US and it is silly and serves the Scientologists purposes to accuse them of not being a religion. They will line up 100 academics to prove with all kinds of arguments and evidence that they are a religion, and every court will go along with the academics and the cult and the government.

Alanzo
So it’s kind of a decoy issue, right? As long as people are arguing that issue, no one’s gonna get to the effective points that will actually do something.

Gerry Armstrong
That’s correct.

Alanzo
Yeah, yeah, they do that a lot.

Gerry Armstrong
Yes. Theologically, they are a proprietary brand of Satanic Luciferianism. That’s theologically. They are a Luciferianism, because of their devotion to Hubbard, a human being rather than God. And now, Miscavige, that’s where their devotion is. They are Satanic because of their extreme lying, their corruption of their members to enforce moral cowardice, and their anti God scripture.

It is a criminal organization in continual violation of 18 US Code section 241. Conspiracy against rights.

Nevertheless, they are a religion. People can be excused for not considering them a religion. I didn’t. When I got into Scientology, it was on the basis that they were a science and they actually scoffed at religion. Religion was a cover that we, in the cult, cleared the planet with Hubbard’s scientific technology.

And just to clarify, a point, a religion could be a cult and a cult could be a religion. In a sense, they’re, they’re synonymous. In a way, cult is the form of organization. The the type of management is a dictatorship within an organization which has the form of a cult.

Islamic State is a religion. Their sincerity is demonstrated by their willingness to martyr themselves and murder others.

“Our Thing” church. “Our Thing” church, if they were to call themselves a church is very similar in form and construction to Scientology. “Our Thing” the English interpretation of Cosa Nostra. It’s a protection racket. So, if the Costa Nostra were to determine themselves a religion, then Al Capone would never have gone to prison for tax evasion. He would have been given tax exemption.

Alanzo
Okay.

Gerry Armstrong
Now Islamic State doesn’t get tax exemption because they violate public policy. And Scientology, the Miscavigite entity anyway, should not get tax exemption for the same reason. They violate tax public policy. They violated public policy to get the tax exemption. Public policy is founded on constitutional and national laws and regulations. So a violation of law cannot be public policy. You can’t have public policy which countenances law breakage. Violation of law is a violation of public policy.

And Scientology is in continual violation of the law, and they violated the law to get the tax exemption.

Alanzo
So to argue that they’re not a religion is a complete dead end when it comes to trying to revoke their tax exemption. Instead, you’re suggesting another avenue to take?

Gerry Armstrong
Well, in the realm of religion, there is something that can be done there. And that is, Scientology the Miscavigite Scientology’s violations of freedom of religion, because that’s what they do. So give them religion. That the US declared them a religion can be used to help abrogate their tax exemption, and government defense and support.

It’s an Akito move. They violate religious freedom and impermissible violation of public policy. And the Scientology V. Gerry Armstrong cases, multiple cases, are extremely useful. But more on this later.

The other two aspects or crimes in their effort to get tax exemption – that people can grasp and use – the first is the Scientologist’s extortion of the IRS, and the willful false statements in their submission on which the tax exemption was, supposedly at least, granted.

What Scientology Got From the IRS In Exchange for “Turning Off the Faucet” of Extortion

Now, First came the extortion. The Scientologists extorted the IRS, extorted officials of the federal government. Now it’s true that the government went along with the extortion and that’s often the case with extortion. Extortion can be successful or unsuccessful. The Scientologists were successful.

First came the extortion and that’s “the faucet story”. It goes like this: “We will turn off the faucet of exposure of your secrets – that’s in line with extortion and blackmail.”

Alanzo
In order to gain something of value.

Gerry Armstrong
Yes, correct, in this case, a billion dollar liability wiped out, deductions for all the people who are giving them millions of dollars, and a green light to further defraud, abuse, and commit crimes against the US’s own citizens but not the government.

So yes, we will turn off the faucet of exposure of your secrets, the false accusations against you, and the true accusations against you. Your violations of public policy, baseless lawsuits against you, stalking your officials, etc. And you give us tax exemption, give all our members tax deductions for the money that they give us, and greenlight are defrauding, abusing and rights violations of your non-governmental citizens once the extortion was negotiated.

Because this took place over a two year period according to Rinder and Rathbun. They were flying out to meet with the IRS from LA to DC, they said, virtually weekly.

So once the extortion was negotiated then the false statements were agreed to.

And here, regarding false statements, look up 18 US Code section 1001 and 26 US Code section 7206.

All Scientology’s academics – can not prove that making false statements to the IRS or to the Justice Department is lawful, or protected religious exercise, and I don’t think they would dare try. I doubt that there would be lawyers, who would say, “Oh, it’s just ducky to submit false statements to the IRS. That’s fine.”

No, no, this is, this is the key: Extortion. What they obviously negotiated as part of what you Scientology gets to do: You get to submit these false statements – and the relevant submissions to the IRS are on my site, the Armstrong Op, people can go through them.

Note the false statements they know are false. I have largely done this concerning the multitude of false statements about myself, about my lawyer Mike Flynn, himself, and his other clients. And I will talk about these false statements in the future. Then the government, citizens, foreign governments and their citizens should be told, with evidence, that Scientology tax exemption was illegally obtained by extortion and fraud.

That’s the approach that I think would work in the US and around the world. If people were to get behind it, and do the work required to study what was submitted and understand the extortion. What’s the quid pro quo, and what did each side give away and promise?

Alanzo
Okay, I see what you’re saying. So it is different than they black, they just blackmailed the IRS to get tax exemption. They extorted them tit for tat, we will turn off the faucet if you allow us to have tax exemption. And in order for us to gain this tax exemption, we will make these false statements that overcome the barriers that you’ve placed in our way, and you will accept those false statements and we’ll get tax exemption.

Gerry Armstrong
Right. All of our people will be able to deduct all the millions of dollars that they give us. And we will be able to continue to violate public policy and violate people’s rights. That’s the deal. But, and part of the deal, we won’t go after you. So people can go back and see what Scientology was saying about the IRS, the criminal organization…

Alanzo
There was a program. There was a program in Scientology called C.A.T.S. Citizens Against Tax…. What was it? Tax Suppression or something? My mission holder, because he’d been a Scientologist for so many decades, was basically considered a tax protester. And so were many other Scientologists. And I remember after they got the tax exemption, one of the things that the church was doing to all Scientologists, they were making sure that they were filing their taxes. You would have to go to ethics if you didn’t file your taxes. They became almost kind of an enforcement arm of the IRS for a while there, after the exemption.

Gerry Armstrong
Right. And at the same time, they were marketing and advertising with, you know, pictures of Uncle Sam saying, now you can deduct it all the money that you give us.

Alanzo
Yes, yes. I remember those days. Well, okay, so we have up on the screen here we have the statements that Scientology made about you, that you are considering some of the fraudulent statements that were made in order to gain tax exemption?

Gerry Armstrong
Right, that is that contains one or more of their false statements.

One of the things the statement here, which is very important, and I’ll read it off, “we have included some background information here. And an epilogue to the decision in question….”

The decision in question is what’s known as the Breckenridge decision, which is the decision in judgment in the Scientologists first case against me. That’s the one in which L Ron Hubbard was declared virtually a pathological liar and the judge condemned culling of PC folders and identified Scientology as paranoid and schizophrenic. So that’s the case in question here.

Scientology continues, “…that is because The Service (Internal Revenue Service) has continuously thrust the Armstrong case at us, demanding an explanation” – So the Armstrong case had since that judgment in 1984, and here we’re into when they filed this was 1992 the Armstrong case had been material in the IRS is denial of tax exemption. So they can simply say, ‘Oh, well, this is extraneous or irrelevant or unimportant’. No, it was material.

The IRS was demanding an explanation and the Scientologists were not, obviously, not giving them one. And the explanation that they give does not explain the case at all – Where they say, “We truly believe that Armstrong it is psychotic“. That is no explanation and it’s an attempted explanation or an excuse with a lie. And that’s because I simply am not psychotic. The Scientologists knew I was not psychotic. The IRS knew, the FBI knew, and the whole Justice Department knew.

Scientology Claimed Gerry Armstrong Was “Psychotic” In Order to Get the IRS to Grant Scientology Tax Exemption

Alanzo
Well, what’s so interesting to me is that here’s a claim that’s made “Gerry Armstrong is psychotic”. And yet no expert, no psychiatrist, no evaluation from any, any psychiatric expert at all is brought into this discussion. It’s just that we’re going to completely ignore the Breckenridge Decision. Just all of that, we’re just going to set that aside, and we’re going to call you a psycho. That is classic ad hominem attack. And I said this the last time, I don’t understand how a legal or public policy process like this could ever even entertain such an argument.

Gerry Armstrong
Psychotic or psychosis is of course, a medical term.

Alanzo
Right.

Gerry Armstrong
So essentially, the officials involved, the IRS, Justice Department accepted this diagnosis, as if the Scientologists were psychiatric professionals qualified to render such a diagnosis.

Alanzo
LOL! Mike Rinder the Psychiatrist!

Gerry Armstrong
LOL! Mike Rinder the psychiatrist. Yeah. David Miscavige the psychiatrist! Mark Rathbun the psychiatrist. They were so qualified to render such a medical diagnosis that the IRS, the FBI, etc. did not investigate, did not check with me, did not question it. They accepted it as if these people were qualified.

Alanzo
So that’s very interesting.

Gerry Armstrong
And they continue on… “as we shall demonstrate below. All this decision (the Breckenridge decision) ever involved was Armstrong’s state of mind, which subsequently obtained evidence proved conclusively to be one sordid, sadomasochistic nightmare.” Now, that is not all that the Breckenridge decision concerned at all

Alanzo
Not a bit. And that this is an official filing to a government agency with a sentence like that… it is just shocking.

Gerry Armstrong
Yes it is. That it was so shocking to me. I didn’t read this until I arrived in Canada.

I got my first internet account in the beginning of 1997. And that’s where I read a section of their submission to the IRS. That’s where I saw that they had labeled me psychotic and that they had discussed the Armstrong case in the Breckenridge Decision. That was in 97. They got their tax exemption in 93.

In these filings to the IRS, there are somewhat at least 145 mentions of me by name. There’s a mass of material about me.

Now, I was at that point, involved in litigation with the Scientologists, headed by the head of legal was Mike Rinder. And in those cases, they had to produce to me everything that they had published about me, and they did not provide that. They did not disclose what they had filed with the IRS. The idea and the lawsuits were to silence me about my experiences and knowledge. They got an order which says that they can say whatever they want about me, and I cannot respond.

It’s my belief that is such a perverse unconstitutional order that I am sure that the US federal government agents went into state court and got that state judge to issue this order, in the hope that I would be silenced, just because of the dirty deal that they had cut with the Scientologists.

So the idea that I could not respond to what they filed to get a billion dollar tax exemption?

Bullshit.

Alanzo
Yeah. This is like, you would figure in order to get a billion dollars we’re gonna need to shut Gerry Armstrong up. And we’re gonna use everything we can to make sure that he shuts up. So isn’t there some kind of, of a levying of a fine on you? Every time you mentioned the word “Scientology” in public? What is it? Isn’t that is that part of this?

Gerry Armstrong
Yes. $50,000 per utterance. And it’s per recipient. So, recipient who hears it, who reads it.

Alanzo
Okay, so if 10,000 People watch this video with you, then it’s $50,000 times 10,000 that you you need to pay…. who do you pay? Do you pay Mike Rinder that? Or do you pay the federal government that? How does that work?

Gerry Armstrong
No, that goes it goes to the Church of Scientology International.

Alanzo
This is so ridiculous!

Gerry Armstrong
Plus, I get to go to jail. And, and I’m fined. No, the amount that, according to their calculations I owe them, is up in the trillions. It’s that bizarre.

Alanzo
It’s a joke. They have made a joke of US law.

Gerry Armstrong
Yes. This is another factor too: I cannot say one word about my experiences. And those are religious experiences. I can’t say one word about my knowledge. That is religious knowledge. They are a religion organized solely for religious practices. That’s what the IRS says.

And every one of their organizations or affiliated organizations, so Narconon, Criminon. And their corporations, RTC, CST, CSI, CSC. And all of their organizations around the world, Church of Scientology of British Columbia, Church of Scientology of San Francisco, Church of Scientology of Moscow. And all of the franchise’s or missions around the world. And every one of their directors, officers, volunteers, employer, employees, lawyers – every one of them. They can say whatever they want, and I can’t say one word about them.

Alanzo
I have to say that I’ve never seen you actually go quiet, ever, since this decision.

Gerry Armstrong
Well, I actually did. I did go quiet to a degree. I signed their ridiculous document, which I understood. I knew that ramifications of it. Because my lawyer at the time, Michael Flynn, said, “Gerry it’s not worth the paper it’s printed on! They are paying you to dismiss your claims against them up to this moment. But regarding the future, you cannot give away that right. You can’t sign away your constitutional rights. And also, Gerry, should anything happen, I’ll be there for you.”

Well, that has never happened. I have pleaded with him 50 or more times to come forward, execute a declaration. He has never done it.

Now they made his life hell. They’ve framed him with the forgery and attempt to pass a $2 million check on one of L Ron Hubbard’s accounts at the Bank of New England.

Alanzo
Hold on, they forged his signature on a check to make it look like he was trying to steal $2 million?

Gerry Armstrong
No, someone attempted to pass a check on L Ron Hubbard’s account for $2 million. It was scammers who had somebody inside the bank. Then the Scientologists, Mark Rathbun, Eugene Ingram, their famous nasty PI who threatened to put a bullet between my eyes, they paid the person who actually committed the crime $25,000 to execute an affidavit which Ingram wrote, prepared. in order to get Flynn. They framed Flynn.

So that was just one crime. They made his life hell for some seven years. He claims – and this is the way they operate – he claims that they put water in his gas tank of his airplane, and that it sputtered out in mid flight. And it was constant. And his, his family was freaked out by it. He was desperate to get out of the litigation.

Now what he said to me was true, that the prohibitions are not worth the paper it’s printed on.

It took a corrupt judge and a corrupt federal government to get the orders against me. The first judge that they put the agreement, which I signed in front of him, he said, “Judge Breckenridge would never have signed this. And I’m not going to sign it. This is the most lopsided one sided contract I have virtually ever seen”.

And then they took it to another court, where they got a corrupt judge to sign it.

Alanzo
So I’m sitting here thinking about you in 1997, hooking yourself up to the Internet, and you’re doing this search on the filings that Scientology submitted. And then seeing your name. I mean, it took two or three, four or five years for you to be able to have this revealed about how they used you to get tax exemption and the way in which they used you. And the way in which they used you?

Gerry Armstrong
Right. And they with, and they withheld that from me, despite the orders for them to produce everything that they were publishing about me

Alanzo
Court orders during depositions and other things during lawsuits you’re having with them in the intervening years, because of the tax exemption. And when you got a an internet connection, you were finally able to see these documents, right?

Gerry Armstrong
Right, in discovery, which is an aspect of litigation, they had to produce documents concerning me that they had published. So they did turn over a couple of fairly innocuous things that I might have even already seen. But they withheld, the big one. And then I knew with what Rinder had said to me, because he told me to my face. I said, “this is black propaganda” of what they were doing was black propaganda. This was in 1994, before I learned of what they filed with the IRS. And he says, “yes, and we’re going to keep doing it until you shut up”.

That in itself, that’s extortion. But when I saw the document that they filed with the IRS, or at least a part of it, then and the billion dollars, and the fact that they had withheld it, then I knew the importance of the role that I played in this.

And I knew I had to get away.

And that’s what I did. I, I took off within a couple of days. I wrote a declaration for Grady Ward, remember that name? Grady Ward, Dennis Erlich and Wollersheim. That was the point that I left for Canada. And then without service on me, because I was in Canada, and you have to have personal service to do this, they were able to get an order of contempt against me. And this was for the Declaration, which I had written for Grady Ward, pursuant to a subpoena.

So Ward subpoenaed me, I wrote a declaration. And I filed it with the US District Court in San Francisco Federal Court in their case, and then I left. When I was in Canada, without service on me, then they got a contempt order. And then when I filed an appeal from this ridiculous California state court order, then they they got it dismissed on the basis that I was a fugitive from justice. So there’s a doctrine that says that if that a fugitive from justice, cannot use the courts. So that, also, is a ridiculous order. And I believe that the federal agencies went to state appeals court to try and get rid of me.

Alanzo
Well, let me ask you this question. Who was it Kendrick Moxon, who was filing all these things against you at that time?

Gerry Armstrong
Well, Moxon was definitely involved in my case. Another one was Lindsay Bartilson (CORRECTION: Laurie Jo Bartilson). And this concerned a San Francisco lawyer, Andrew Wilson. So those were the main State Court lawyers on my case at that time. And there had been other lawyers previously, but Wilson was the one. He actually threatened me, if I were to respond to Grady Ward’s subpoena. That was another factor that added in to my decision to leave.

Alanzo
All right. And so and Mike Rinder was the legal officer at this time. So he was running and executing and managing this whole legal team. Is that correct?

Gerry Armstrong
He was the CO of the Office of Special Affairs International, one of the bureaus of which is legal. So he ran legal, PR, and intelligence,

Alanzo
Right. And so as CO OSA, he would have seen all of these filings and approved all of those filings.

Gerry Armstrong
Well seen certainly. He had a duty to see them all. Whether or not they needed his use approval, Miscavige’s was enough. Miscavige was intimately involved in all the cases against me. Miscavige was intimately involved in all the lies to the IRS.

Alanzo
Yes. And so when you take a look at Mike Rinder, you know, he’s been out for 15 years. And he is he’s a hero, okay? He, he’s a redemptive hero, he has turned his life around, and now he’s going after the cult. And yet when it comes to you, and this legal, this scheming legal bind that they have put you in, has Mike Rinder ever made any kind of move to alleviate, or give you the information necessary for you to alleviate, the contrived legal bind that you’re in?

Gerry Armstrong
Right. He has done nothing. And worse than nothing, he has continued to black PR me, including this smear that I’m psychotic.

Alanzo
Yes. He’s just continuing to run that line, that he began way back in the 80s. And that they used into the 90s to get Scientology tax exemption, that you’re a psycho. And even after getting out for 15 years, he continues to run that line.

Gerry Armstrong
Yes. And he has had many of his followers do the same thing. You know, Aaron Smith Levin and “Gerry Armstrong’s hearing things through the air conditioner”. You know, another smear that he got from Mike Rinder. Stefani Hutchison, smear from Mike Rinder. Dan Sherman, he writes to the newspaper in Boston, that, “yeah, Armstrong’s a is certifiably nut”, you know, and Rathbun, same thing,

Alanzo
I posted a lot to Marty’s blog. And there was a point while he was in his lawsuit with the Church of Scientology, he hadn’t dropped it yet, and it was it was as if, you know, Marty was this really big warrior against Scientology. And everybody was praising him for being such an effective warrior. And right in the middle of that, I asked Marty in a comment. I said, “So with all this legal stuff, don’t you think that you can help Gerry Armstrong out and reveal what it is that you guys did to put him into the legal bind that he’s in?”

And as it happened, I knew that Marty was on the blog at that time. And so I waited for his answer. And within a half hour, he answered, and he says, “you know, every time I think about Gerry Armstrong, I just go unconscious.” That was his answer.

Gerry Armstrong
Right. And he also, he also wrote, someone else queried him about me. And he wrote, “If Armstrong would write something that is understandable, I would answer him.” So, you know, of all of the hundreds of 1000s of words that I’ve written nothing to Marty was understandable.

Alanzo
Yeah. Because he’s unconscious! Every time he sees you! Because that explains how he can’t understand anything!

Gerry Armstrong
So he was willing to make himself sound like stupid, like ignorant, you know, just to not have to answer.But you know, “Armstrong isn’t isn’t understandable”. That goes along with the psychosis.

Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder Are Still Protecting Scientology Tax Exemption

Alanzo
Yes. Yes. And all this is all part of continuing to protect the tax exemption. Right. It’s, it’s as if they’re still working for Scientology. Yes. And by by continuing to protect the tax exemption, maybe there’s something in it for them like a nice retirement package or some kind of thing. If they can distract everyone off of this and retain Scientology tax exemption, maybe there’s a quick quid pro quo. Like Mike might have a of house waiting for him in Bermuda, or Marty has another one say on Galveston Bay or, or something like that.

Gerry Armstrong
Or maybe someone will win an Emmy me for him.

Alanzo
Exactly. You could be an Emmy winner, Mike, if you just protect Scientology tax exemption for us!

Gerry Armstrong
And, you know, intelligence, it’s common to use awards that way. And to control awards.

And you’ll notice that in all of the Aftermath series, there’s nothing. There’s nothing that deals with the Gerry Armstrong situation – the person that Rinder fair gamed more than anyone else. And the tax exemption, there’s nothing effective. They’ve completely omit the two areas, which are key. One is the extortion, we extorted them. And the other is the false submissions, which smear and defame me.

Alanzo
Yeah, so the extortion. That’s that’s something they did. But what did the IRS do in return for ending the extortion? That’s the key question. And then here and with the second part is, what lies were told about Gerry Armstrong, in order to get tax exemption?

Gerry Armstrong
Those are key.

Alanzo
Yeah. So so you’re, if I understand this correctly, you’re saying there are two ways that a listener or someone in the audience with some kind of skill can use to help to revoke Scientology tax exemption – with these two ways.

Gerry Armstrong
Well, there’s, there’s three actually, and that is Scientology’s violations of the freedom of religion, of members, or outside people. Those contracts by which they silence people about their religious experiences, and religious knowledge, must be ruled unlawful.

Now, the US federal government, a part of the State Department, the International Commission for International Religion, Freedom of Religion, they go around to other countries of the world, and enforce the US is standard of freedom of religion on those other countries. But what the free US federal government itself, and its courts, and its religions, like Scientology, are doing violate the very laws that they’re enforcing on other countries: Condemning other countries for the violations of freedom of religion. Whereas it’s demonstrable in the US that Scientology violates freedom of religion.

Now, freedom of religion in the US, unfortunately, has come to mean ‘freedom of the religious corporation to suppress the religious freedom of individuals’. Only individuals can have freedom of religion. For freedom of religion to exist, you have to be able to leave a religion in a flash, “I’m done right now.” It is unlawful for Scientology to hold people who want to leave – for a second!

Now, the Headley case, the Headley case I believe, was manipulated in order to give Scientology, the judge-made-law to violate freedom of religion. Also, religious arbitration: If a person can’t leave and leave completely and have access to the laws of the country, then there is no freedom of religion. Sending them back for religious arbitration, which is a sacrament in Scientology, then no freedom of religion.

Alanzo
Yeah, it forces them. It forces them to practice a religion that is not their own and which they have left and in most cases, denounced, publicly denounced. And it forces them to have to practice it again.

Gerry Armstrong
Right in front of people who hate them. That is absolutely deranged. And that the courts are going along with this, this madness, this anti religious madness.

Alanzo
There’s, you know, there’s the thing about contract law, okay. And in all of these things you can sign. It’s my understanding – I’m not a lawyer – but it’s my understanding that you can actually sign a right away. By signing a contract.

Gerry Armstrong
You can sign certain rights away, and you can you can compel someone to do something. But, do you think, of course would enforce…. in order for someone to leave a religion in the US, and they force him to sign a contract, which says, “You will never pray to God? And if you pray to God, you have to pay $50,000” Now, that’s something that – sure you can sign it. But what, what court there, there are certain things which you cannot sign away, the contract is at fault.

And the courts are at fault for enforcing an unenforceable impermissible condition in a contract.

Now, you as a church, sure, you can prevent someone from ever coming in ever again. But you can’t prevent him from talking about his religious experiences. And you can’t prevent him from praying to God, or not praying to God. How about a contract that says, you know, you must pray to God 24 hours a day, okay, I sign it. And now they catch him having lunch somewhere, not praying to God, you know, into court and off to the pokey. Yeah, it’s madness.

Alanzo
That’s a good example. Gerry, I like that.

Gerry Armstrong
Yes, there are all kinds of rights, which you cannot lawfully, while you can sign it away, but it cannot be enforced. The contract against me is a classic example. They cannot, there cannot be contract law cannot enter into it.

You cannot contract away freedom of religion.

Scientology Still Fairgaming Gerry Armstrong to This Day

Alanzo
Yeah. So back in let’s see was it 2022? When Moxon filed that 190 Page submission to to open up a? What was that? You were, there was a rumor that you were going to come into California and give a speech somewhere.

Gerry Armstrong
Right. The rumor was concocted by Scientology. I am convinced of it. So they had a couple of people on Why We Protest, a dialogue between them about Gerry Armstrong. “I heard Gerry Armstrong’s coming to San Francisco to give a talk”. While there was no central idea, but then using that concocted story, Moxon went in to Marin Superior court to try and extend an arrest warrant on me.

And fortunately, I was able to defend myself and get it removed. Now. Interestingly, Moxon threatened, within that hearing, that they were going to extradite me. So come up into Canada, and get an order of extradition, ordering me back to the US to serve my jail sentences – which there are in the US – for daring to speak about my experiences, and my knowledge of Scientology.

And fortunately, a key point: Moxon lied to the judge. He claimed that he had never received my opposition to their papers. It was an ex parte application. Ex Parte application is done in a very rapid way. So I think I got his papers on a Friday for a hearing on Monday. So no time to get an attorney. No, no time to file substantive papers.

But nevertheless, I did file file with the court by email. And the judge received my paper. And I copied, I emailed Moxon. And then he lied and said he never got it. You imagine? Here’s Moxon down in LA, and he’s going to fly up to San Francisco and then go across to Marin County. And he’s not going to check his emails? He’s just a liar. He’s done that, he’s a very crooked man. And he’s done that persistently in the litigation in which I’ve been involved with him.

In any case, the judge did not grant it. And to this date, that was in 2020. And to this date, the Scientologists have not come up to Canada, and attempted to extradite me or attempted to enforce their settlement agreement or their judgments, monetary judgments, against me, or their arrest warrants.

So and I have known this since I arrived here in 1997. And it’s obvious to me that they cannot get away with the criminal activity in [Canadian] court that they can get away with in the US, in fact, and that’s why they have not attempted to do it. The orders against me are unlawful. And there is no one has any duty to obey an unlawful order. And I feel completely confident in not obeying any of the orders that they have against me.

Alanzo
Well, I agree. And I will help you not obey unlawful orders.

Gerry Armstrong
What you know, there have been, there have been people who’ve recognized this and, you know, have sought me out in order to have me violate their orders.

Alanzo
Yeah. I’m working in concert with Gerry Armstrong.

Gerry Armstrong
There you go!

Alanzo
Alright, so are there any other things you’d like to say about about the tax exemption or anything else?

Gerry Armstrong
Yes, the just to repeat, like that concerns, the freedom of religion so people can look at the way Scientology is violating freedom of religion, of people inside people outside by contract by religious arbitration, those sorts of things. They are notorious violators of freedom of religion. The second point is the extortion. What did, what had, Scientology been doing that with the federal government, with the IRS, previous to the deal? And then what did they get? So there’s two sides to that.

Alanzo
Right. What did they get by stopping? Right?

Gerry Armstrong
Right. And part of what they’ve got is a freedom to commit more violations of public policy. And the other thing is read over their submissions to the IRS. And if they had any knowledge of facts that are false in those submissions, then write them down, excerpt them, study them.

And that is a package of information, which can be assembled, presented to the US federal government, to legislation, and around the world. So other foreign governments and people and organizations around around the world they should know that Scientology committed crimes with US federal government acquiescence if not encouragement, in order to inform people in every nation of the world.

Alanzo
All right then. There’s a wealth of information here. Gerry, thank you very much for being with us!

Gerry Armstrong
You’re welcome. Have a great weekend. Over and out.

Alanzo
Over and out.