Ex-Scientologists Are Catching On to Tony Ortega’s Exploitation & Abuse of Them

Yesterday, Tony Ortega continued his assertions that L Ron Hubbard & Scientology endorses pedophilia. He used Sunny Pereira and Nora Crest experience in Scientology to do it. But, it turns out, Nora Crest had something to say about Tony’s exploitation of her standing in the Ex community to continue his belligerent, and false, narrative.

Here’s what she said on Facebook

Dear Tony Ortega,

First of all, you did NOT have my permission to quote me for your article today. You did NOT ask for any of my comments to be on the record and as a journalist you should have had the integrity to do that. I have worked with MANY journalists over the past several years and every single one of them, except you, has ALWAYS ensured that every comment I gave them was on the record before printing anything.

Secondly, I do not appreciate you attacking, very backhandedly I might add, a family member of mine by screen shoting a quote from him, and labeling him a “Hubbard Apologist”. You didn’t even screen shot his entire statement to you. Only the part that suited your narrative. And you never responded to his PUBLIC comment to you on the fan forum, instead you screen grabbed it and placed it on your site and welcomed the pile on of this person with no way for him to defend himself or even know that you had done that.

Those are the actions of a coward. I am telling all of this to you directly, in this message and I am posting this publicly to my page and to every fan group.

I do NOT trust you Tony. Your motives are not clean here. As an ExScientologist that is still very much in the process of healing from a lifetime trapped in the cult, I can say unequivocally that you are NOT helping anyone to recover. I feel used by you. Used to further your site hits and your popularity, and your supposed authority in the subject of Scientology. Used by you to suit your ends only and I am ashamed that I allowed this to go on this long.

I don’t work for you. I never have. But the way that you speak to myself and other exes in your messages to us and in your phone calls is disgusting. Demanding information from us at all hours of the day and night. Getting furious and swearing at us if we discuss parts of our story with anyone else but you. You treat us the same way that Scientology did when we were working for them. As something that gives you power, something to be used, and not as human beings. YOU don’t own our stories. They are ours and ours alone.

Real recovery from Scientology can only come from gaining a true understanding of what you went through, what you actually did to yourself and others, and from a lot of time. When people are in the process of coming to terms with all of that it is hard to let go of everything all at once. To throw away a lifetime of what you thought was “helping people”. You may have “had wins” or helped another person to “have wins” and that felt good at the time so it doesn’t seem like that was a bad thing, or wrong. So you cling to it. because 10, 20, 30, 40+ years of your life can’t have been a total waste. Otherwise what the fuck do you have?

So I am calling you out Tony, very publicly, because instead of having compassion for this man, and others who are recovering from decades of mind control, physical and mental torture, you used him as fodder for your ego and allowed a group of strangers on the internet, who know NOTHING about this person, behind his back, to tear him apart.

That is disgusting and lacks integrity and is devoid of any humanity. And you can quote me on that.

Nora Crest

 

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Eileen
Guest

I went back and read the UB article that Nora questioned. Tony does quote her, and Nora does not appear to be questioning the accuracy of his quote. She seems to be questioning his right to use her comment without her explicit permission.
I thought that after Anthony Scaramucci everyone in the world knew that unless you specify “off the record” in advance you are on the record. She knows she is speaking to a journalist.
In regard to this paragraph Nora is simply wrongheaded. It makes me wonder if her other points are equally wrongheaded.
Her last paragraph about the healing process seems rational, but then she veers off course again.
Certainly, the need to justify Scientology wins because otherwise she will have wasted 30 years of her life is not rational. If people think they have wins then that should be respected, and if an auditor helped then good on them.

Eileen
Guest

Her last sentence “devoid of any humanity” says it all. She’s just way over the top.
BTW Alonzo, can you set up an editing button? Drives me crazy when I read my posts and see the typos.

Good People
Guest

Thank you Nora for having the courage to call out Ortega for attempting to subjugate you and your Scientology experience. And thank you Alanzo for creating a safe space to allow ex or other Scientologists to speak about their experience.

Gib
Guest

I really don’t get it!

Why people discuss or argue dianetics and scientology w/o the end goal to be had or lack of in the discussion?

per you alanzo:

“Getting out of a ‘cult’ is not something that you recover from, it is something you are strengthened by.” — Alanzo”

Well, I got out of the cult of dianetics and then later scientology, and I am strengthened by it. So I speak my mind and am strengthened by it.

What is my mind that I speak of?

Simply, I first thought that when I first got involved in Dianetics I could achieve a status written by Hubbard as “Clear” and if I followed his procedures I would be Clear , and then when I was further involved I thought I could achieve a state of religious awareness and philosophy of life known as “Operating Thetan”.

Turns out Hubbard died and said he failed. And it turns out no clears have ever been produced by Hubbard’s tech, nor has any OT’s been produced.

In my eyes, that is the recovery, and that’s all it is to it.

If one wishs to recover from dianetics and scientology, simply realize there are no clears or OT’s.

I wish it were true that we could go clear and OT. I no longer have faith in scientology, LOL

Richard
Guest

Here’s a train of thought coming from Alanzo mentioning his “theory”. On Dec.12, 2013 Geir Isene on his blog posted a topic called “Scientology pros and cons”. He asked people to list five pros and five cons.

When I first started reexamining my scn experience I did something like that and it was beneficial but nowadays begging the question of what I got out of scn is just reliving the past and I rarely do it and it can actually lead to self invalidation.

In scn auditing there is a term called “rehabbing a release”. This meant (verbal tech coming up – lol) bringing back to the present or “rehabilitating” a previous state of awareness or a realization. Some of the now “old timers” commenting on Geir’s topic just ended up joking around.

Gib
Guest

yah, it’s also called rehabbing “wins”. That’s the purpose of ARC Break auditors sent out into the field when somebody has a upset about LRH, DM, Scientology and Dianetics.

Marty Rathbun did the ultimate rehab of wins with Tom Cruise.

It’s also rhetoric, the art of persuasion thru logos, ethos and pathos. And very refined,

Geir seems to have understood rhetoric in his latest post:

https://isene.me/

Truth vs Emotions

I suppose one could rehab the “wins” one had with a partner in life although they were physically and mentally abusive. And that is Hubbardology and Scientology, to entrap. IMHO

Miss Tia
Guest

Whoa, way to go Nora!!!

And yeah, I witnessed–first hand–Tony trying to solicit comments from a well known ex. He wanted them to post a comment on his blog story that day–to support his story. They were not taking his calls or replying to texts. Apparently they hadn’t been for awhile [I am not referring to Nora, if that needed to be clarified; but I will not name publicly who it was. I believe I told Alanzo during a phone call.]

I know Nora contributed a lot to the UB, now I wonder how many of her comments were of her own volition or solicited. I’m sure most were her own; but she also made a video–one that I know of, there might be more–for an article. I cannot imagine the additional pressure such ‘requests’/demands would place on someone still recovering.

May getting this out help her on your path and also help show others the path. I truly hope Tony doesn’t start a backlash against her, as we know he is wont to do if someone crosses him or he’s done with them, or he can no longer use them.

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