On September 13, 2016 Marty Rathbun published a post where he wrote:

“Here’s where the hypocrisy enters. A few years ago Karen offered me thousands of dollars to indict and convict Ron Miscavige of that very rape charge on my blog. She said that Ron had confessed the crime to her in Clearwater Florida in the eighties and she wanted to publish it. She said it was fair game for publication because even though Karen was a Scientology counsellor at the Clearwater facility at the time of the confession, Ron had admitted the crime outside the four walls of a counselling session. She said that Ron told her, “Karen, I don’t know what got into me. I lost my mind. I got rough with that girl. I raped her”, referring to the woman outside Philadelphia who had so accused him. She referred to Ron Miscavige as a predator who needed to be put away for the protection of society.’

“I told Karen that rape is a serious charge for a he-said/she-said accusation and I would not be taking the subject up. Karen pressed me with a plea that it would do all manner of harm to David Miscavige and Scientology. I informed Karen as I had on numerous occasions that that was not my purpose nor the purpose of my forum and that until she and others evolved from such hateful motivations they would continue to live the miserable existences they did. I also reiterated what I told her several times: that I never allowed editorial influence no matter how generous one was with donations to the blog.’

“Fast forward five years. Augustine on behalf of De La Carriere is using her forum to attack me for pointing out the hypocrisy of Ron Miscavige’s book. Kept-man second-class Tony Ortega does accept money for publishing salacious content. That is how he makes his living. Only now Karen doesn’t want to protect the public from a rapist, she wants the guy pointing out the rapist’s hypocrisy to be discredited. As per usual, on-demand Tony dutifully complies”.

On September 19, 2016, Marty Rathbun wrote a post in which he said:

Looking further into Shelton’s gig I learned something remarkable. He has posted dozens of videos pontificating about the damaged minds of Scientologists (current and former). They are delivered with the self-sure authority of an Ivy League shrink. Paradoxically, Shelton’s principle support for putting out his mass psychiatric diagnoses comes from someone who purports to deliver Scientology services at the highest level of proficiency. Shelton’s benefactor also pays Tony Ortega to, among other things, regularly post Shelton’s ramblings at The Underground Bunker.

Then yesterday, Chris Shelton said this in Tony Ortega’s commenting section:


And today, someone directed me to a comment on Chris Shelton’s youtube channel where he was asked directly about whether he took money from Karen, and he said this:

chris-specifically-denies-that-he-and-tony-take-money-from-karen de la carriere

So far, the only evidence for the claim that Karen pays Tony and Chris Shelton to post things is that, some years ago, Karen asked Marty to post something about Ron Miscavige Sr in exchange for money she would pay to Marty if he posted it. Marty refused her.

Is there any more evidence that Chris Shelton and Tony Ortega receive money from Karen De La Carriere?

I have also heard the rumor that Karen paid for Tony’s book tour.

Does anyone have any evidence that Karen paid for Tony’s book tour, or that she pays for Chris Shelton’s videos to be posted, or if she pays any other critic of Scientology to post things that she wants posted?

Let’s settle this. The reason this is important is that journalists such as Tony Ortega are supposed to label all paid content, and paid by whom, if they publish “news”. This allows you, as the reader, to know whether you are reading news or reading commercials.

Also, if Karen De La Carriere has a stable of people out there running her “Indy OSA” agenda, we should know about it.

So post your experiences with Karen regarding these things, or any relevant evidence that you have below.

I will post your comment only if you want me to.

Otherwise, I can keep it un-posted, and confidential.

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September 23, 2016 9:28 pm
Reply to  Alanzo

“Scientology and Anti-Scientology are equally open to scrutiny.”

You forgot anti-anti Scio (it’s not the same as Scio, it’s a new branch). The labeling is on steroids – in all ‘camps’. The acronyms are hilarious. One could also simplify it and say different people have different opinions and view points.

I think you don’t get me. I think that you also are pushing questions in certain directions for your agenda (also being the anti-‘tribal’), I included you; you are not above it. Neither am I.

September 23, 2016 8:33 pm
Reply to  Alanzo

“Not just Scientologists, but Anti-Scientologists, too.”

Everything is open to question; of course. And everything can – and is also to a certain degree – manipulated or opinionated. Scientology, anti Scientology and … also anti-anti Scientology. Jeeze, soon we have anti-anti-anti … :).
Also questioning pushed into certain direction can itself be used as manipulation, not only be used as fact finding. Right? It can be used to push an agenda. It is used in politics, in the media, in arguments, in relationships, etc. .

September 23, 2016 7:59 pm

you posted,

“Let’s settle this. The reason this is important is that journalists such as Tony Ortega are supposed to label all paid content, and paid by whom, if they publish “news”. This allows you, as the reader, to know whether you are reading news or reading commercials.”

Does it really matter? I mean you know there are no clears & OT’s. It was a hellvahoax presented as the greatest thing on earth although the leader hisself still believed at this death, and his words to Sarge that he failed. Thus it is a hellvahoax.

September 23, 2016 7:35 pm
Reply to  Alanzo

“I’m a GAT trained Ethics Specialist and a Data Series Evaluator.”

Yeeees…. and? Should I feel some kind of awe? Looks like you are proud of it. So you are still wearing the Scio Ethics Officer hat out here in the ‘wog’ world? I think you know what I think of the fascistic structured Scn ‘ethics’ and ‘justice’. Come on, I can vaguely remember how you took Hubbard’s ‘ethics’ policies apart. I don’t buy that it’s only your “it’s all part of critical thinking” and your info comes over rather patronizing.

September 23, 2016 6:15 pm

So far, the only person who appears to have acknowledged receiving $$$ from KDLC is Rathbun. He told her that $$$ does not buy editorial control of his content. Good for him.
Shelton has not received $$$ from KDLC.
This leaves Ortega. He may have received $$$ from KDLC, but was that to buy specific listings? I don’t know, but I doubt it.
Alanzo, Hope you can put this to rest soon.

September 23, 2016 5:53 pm

Hello everyone! Ethics Officer Alanzo is convening a Committee of Evidence on KDLC, Tony Ortega and Chris Shelton. Send him your Knowledge Reports about all the out-ethics, financial irregularities, crimes and high crimes they have committed.