Eating Crow: Tony Ortega Produces Dani Lemberger

I have to say that Tony Ortega hit it out of the park this morning. Not only did he publish evidence of probable criminal activity and cover up by members of the Church of Scientology in the Danny Masterson rape case but he also produced Dani Lemberger, who said:

Hey Tony, Shabbat Shalom,

Not much I can say about Marty. I was surprised by the Church’s attorney presenting the email from Marty but I don’t see it had much impact. It gave them satisfaction that they had something on me. I laughed at the very bizarre twist.

The next day I wrote Marty an email, see below. He didn’t respond. He did answer you when you asked him about it.

Marty and Tami and I spent a week together at their home in June 2012. That got us declared. I stayed in comm with Marty the next year or so, until mid-2013. He became weird and “anti-Indie Scientology,” so the correspondence ended.

There was never a real upset between us, he has no reason to want to hurt me. Only if he is now working with David Miscavige and being paid by Miscavige would he give any info to a lawyer in Israel he doesn’t know.

That’s all I know about this. Regards, Dani

All I can say – at this point – is, “Who’s got the ketchup?”

I think that very few members of the anti-Scientology tribe will believe me, but I’ll gladly eat this. In fact, the only person who could stop me from eating this is Marty Rathbun – but he told me on Thursday that he “doesn’t give a damn any more”, and that’s the last I’ve heard of him.

Maybe he’ll email me right before I take my first bite with whatever explanation he has about all this. The Church of Scientology has just successfully dead-agented him, and all he has to say for himself is that he does not give a damn any more.

He obviously doesn’t give a damn about any of the people who trusted him, either. Or he’d get his head out of his selfish, narcissistic asshole and give the victims of Scientology the information they need, and have always needed from him.

This goes for Mike Rinder, too.

Marty stated in an affidavit a few years ago that during the whole time you were the head of OSA you ran – on Miscavige’s orders – every operation against every critic.

That means you lied to me on your blog.

You harmed good people, Mike.

From Marty’s affidavit:

“Between 1982 and 2004, it was my job to act as a go-between for Miscavige and OSA. The manner in which we shielded Miscavige was elaborate. Much of Miscavige’s control of OSA was done “off the record.” Every evening I would receive an intelligence briefing in writing from OSA. The briefing was usually several pages summarizing reports from private investigators and Scientologists serving as undercover spies watching and interacting with Scientology critics. The written briefing, contrary to established corporate policy, had no routing information on it. That is, the daily briefing had no indication who wrote the report or who it was directed to. If a report ever got out of the Church, it could not, on its face, be used to incriminate any of its author or recipients.

19. “After I read the report each day, I was instructed by Miscavige to put it into a fresh envelope with no routing information on it. I then personally carried the envelope into Miscavige’s office and set it on his desk. I was the only person in Scientology, aside from his wife and secretary, ever authorized such access to his desk. When Mr. Miscavige read the reports, he would enter my office with the report in hand. He would say ‘beat it’ to my secretary or anyone else who happened to be in my office. Once any visitors had left, Mr. Miscavige would discuss the contents of the report. Often, he would instruct me to order OSA to direct an operative or private investigator to find out something to do concerning the target of infiltration or investigation. On other occasions, Mr. Miscavige would joke about what was reported about a particular target, or rant about the target’s activity. When Miscavige was done discussing the daily OSA briefing with me, he would throw the report on my desk. That was my cue to pick it up and shred it after he left the office and before anyone was permitted to return to my office.

20. “For 22 years, my schedule was to wake up at least an hour before David Miscavige’s scheduled wake up time so that I could collect all important information on any matter of concern to him being handled by the OSA network. Every morning, I was required to brief Miscavige verbally on any major developments on matters handled by the OSA network around the world or matters concerning security. My briefing to him would begin with major problems which he insisted he know about. My briefing included reports about handling the media stories, investigations, legal cases, security breaches, and potential security situations. That briefing would last anywhere from a few minutes on a quiet day with no major developments, to all day when something was afoot that riveted Miscavige’s attention. Miscavige would issue orders to OSA that I had to accurately note on paper.

21. “After the conference with Miscavige, there were a number of options available for issuing his orders, depending on their scope and the level of security required. Most often, I would call Mike Rinder, into my office and I would brief him verbally on Miscavige’s directives. Mr. Rinder would then return to his own office and type up the orders as written directives to OSA. Those directives would be worded as if the orders were originated by him, with no reference to me or RTC, and especially not to Mr. Miscavige. On many occasions, Mr. Miscavige would require Mr. Rinder’s presence during briefings in which he wanted more detail than usual, or wanted to issue more detailed orders than usual. In such cases, it would be my responsibility to follow up to verify that Mr. Rinder relayed Mr. Miscavige’s orders to OSA as Rinder’s own orders.

22. “Mr. Rinder and I were ordered by Mr. Miscavige to keep secret virtually all of our communications, and to specifically keep them secret from any other managers or staff with CSI and RTC. All other CSI managers had little to no knowledge of any matters affecting Scientology from the world outside of the Church. Except for OSA staff, Sea Org members have little contact with the media or the world outside of their corporate duties.

Tell critics what was done to them, Mike.

Every single one of them.

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Good People
Good People

Hi Alanzo. I don’t read the Sci. blogs as much as I use to. Trump upping the anti on harming all sentient beings on earth has kind of taken the wind out of my sails. That being said this post is mildly distracting. As I said I don’t read the blogs as much so I’m a little behind. Is the take away here that Marty is working for miscavige? I too wouldn’t have seen that coming.

Doloras LaPicho
Doloras LaPicho

The three questions I posed in my last comment still stand. Although Rathbun hasn’t let through any comments on his blog for the last month, indicating he has burned his bridges. The real question is what Monique thinks about all this.


Interesting that you now choose to attack Mike Rinder. Please note the use of the words “most often” in Marty’s testimony. Also, I wonder how that worked out for Marty when Mike was in the Hole for over a year. For somebody who prides himself on critical thinking Alanzo, you really dropped the ball. Sad you have turned into such a hateful person.

Scott Gordon

Hi Alonzo

I don’t fault you one bit for drawing the conclusions that you have, and I am prepared to eat crow with you (although it will be doubly hard on a long-time vegetarian like myself!)…

I can’t say that I am a friend of Marty because I have only once met him in person. Ironically it was when he was at the last major Indy gathering of July 2012 and he was busy doing the “hard work of PR” with Mike Rinder and they were sweating the long-distance connection to the Dror center people, whom we were able to communicate by video connection. We just did not have time to talk. No matter, I have read every word of his website since arriving on it December 2009 (and catching up every single prior post) and posted as “Watchful Navigator” (for which I was declared by the church when they matched a story to my original report to RTC). I have read Marty’s books. All of the above with appreciation for the intelligent, reasoned approach to graduating Scientology. I appreciated every step of the way.

I wanted to add to Virginia’s comments and references to earlier postings and say that 2013 was a very ugly year for Marty, when those who refused to follow him away from LRH-worship after Hubbard’s authorship of the OTVIII Student Briefing was finally made clear, went into “Fair Game” mode.

Notable leaders of this bitter reaction about this change in direction were Jim Logan (Milestone 2 – this got very ugly) and Dani Lemberger (who stated publicly that Marty Rathbun “changed sides” – and who knows what has been said in private).

Okay, so a “bitter feud” between Marty and Dani ends in Marty childishly stooping to FairGame Dani – right? WRONG. Think again, folks. That is not Marty. It is not consistent *at all* with his overt operating basis and further – even if he *felt* like doing such a thing, I can assure you that he thought it through as to the hypocritical betrayal of trust.

So what is the operation here? It is FairGame final ploy. After you destroy a man’s reputation sufficiently so you are fairly certain no one is left to come to his aid, you Scios do the “Science of Survival finsl blow” (the idea is that he never recovers).

Marty is in that position of “denial = guilt.” People are so sure that he did this now, that denial makes him an automatic liar – an even worse position.

And let me state for the record Mr. Tony Ortega that Marty taking money from Miscavige “off the books” is not even a remote possibility.

There are people at war here, people heavily invested in the unfolding Scio-thriller, and then there are people like Marty who want to get on with their lives and are done with the games.

That Marty knows how to get word to Miscavige (as brilliantly proposed above as a possibility) is a given. That money changed hands is not however, even remotely a possibility.

I can understand now, how Dani got pulled into this ploy and manipulated into turning full-bore against Marty, but shame on Tony and the rest of you – both anti- and Indy – shame on you for drawing simplistic, partisan conclusions and putting Scientology before your humanity.

You see, Tony and Dani get to be conspiratorial and leave one and all feeling aghast that Marty “would do such a thing!”

But we do not get to speculate for one moment that Miscavige has those kind of resources and intelligence community connections (who work for and as, private investigators) to pull out all the stops – to set up the perfect coup – even getting Dani who wrote a blistering criticism of Tony’s “bigotry” allied in going for Marty’s repute being sunk to the ocean floor.

Oh – and by the way, the crime that *must not* be attributed to David Miscavige at *any* cost – that remains without statute of limitations – is the murder of Lisa Miscavige. And all that stands between David Miscavige and life imprisonment is reform of the compromised Clearwater Police Department so that the investigation is re-opened and people like Marty can be called to testify.

*That’s* not going to happen, although Miscavige will stop at *nothing* to cover all of his tracks.

People forget that Marty has been the *only one* brave enough to publicly assign Miscavige final responsibility for that horrendous act.

But back to the issue at hand.

Dani simply must produce the e-mail and its headers before assuming anything he is being led to believe by Ortega.

Meanwhile we will just have to give Marty the benefit of what will soon become obvious as the single most important of all Human Rights (ironically disseminated by the church:


John Doe
John Doe

Don’t pick up that fork quite yet, Alanzo!

Let’s review this statement from Deni that you bolded:

“Only if he is now working with David Miscavige and being paid by Miscavige would he give any info to a lawyer in Israel he doesn’t know.”

I don’t see how Lemberger can conclude this from what he stated he knows.

Does Lemberger have some access to the inside of Rathbun’s head to determine that MR’s motivation, if he did supply the email, is that he has received payment? And from Miscavige?”

Could another explanation have fewer assumptions necessary? Suppose the church has hacked MR’s email account? Is that too far fetched? Suppose that is the source of the email rather than MR giving it to the Israeli lawyer for a payment?

Suppose the church had actually committed such an illegal act (far-fetched-ha!) and had lost track of the provenance of the email, through the myriad of lawyers, multiple cases and international law firms?

This possibility sounds more likely to me than having to construct a conspiratorial relationship between MR and DM.


Seems way too convenient to me. For what appears to be “all sides” burning Marty right now strikes me as fear-based. Perhaps Marty is up to something that is so scaring the bejeesus out of all these people that they wanted to try and burn his credibility before he gets to do whatever it is. I don’t know, I’m just looking at possibilities, but I will say this.

That obscure lawyer got told to do and say what he did, with whoever it was knowing that it would have exactly this effect on certain screaming meemies.

So why the need to discredit him so blatantly (and so far so utterly unprovably)? Dani doesn’t even know for sure Marty did it.

I do know this though, if I was Marty and someone that was supposedly my friend was that easy to throw in question about me I would know two things immediately. 1. They already made up their mind or they wouldn’t be asking me 2. Any answer I would give wouldn’t be believed anyway. I probably wouldn’t have answered his email either, if I was Marty.

Everyone has (or at least I hope they do) at least one person in the world that nothing and no one could turn against them. Some have more than one. I do. These people are so trustworthy that I would have a totally different reaction than what you see Dani and Tony doing about that court event. I would know that it is a deliberate attempt to break us apart.

I wish I could speak to Marty’s character that way, but I don’t really know him that well, but I would have hoped that someone that calls themselves his friend wouldn’t be so easily swayed.

I would have had my lawyer demand the provenance proof of this email – just to watch them sweat if nothing else.

it doesn’t sound like Dani lifted one finger to even TRY to defend Marty and that really sucks. He just jumped right to the convenient conclusion, and publicly too, that it is patently obvious was the ENTIRE point of the whole email show in the first place.

Anyway, hope you don’t mind my mini-rant but I felt like this needed to be said.


Look at this Alanzo. This was written by Marty while he was still well in the midst of the lawsuit. August 2014.
(I’ll put the link at the bottom)


“Folks who have been following the journey I have been sharing on this blog and in my books over the past five years might want to know something about a subject that I have not mentioned in quite some time. I probably will not mention it again. But, I interrupt the flow of the discourse here for this brief message in the interest of giving a balance to the picture of the direction that I have been sharing. When events of 2015 are in full roar I don’t want people to get the idea that all I have written over the past two years was some sort of diversionary ruse.

I have practiced what I have been sharing.”

“…in order to increase the ability to confront sufficient to truly face the unknown, one must exercise proficiency in overcoming major sources of oppression. It has to do with ascendency of power over force and the art and science of critical point analysis application.

Work along that line must necessarily not be broadcast for the foreseeable future. Thus, none of what I refer to here has been disclosed anywhere, not even to my closest friends. It has nothing to do with any current legal proceedings and is unrelated (as am I) to the scientology infotainment lampooning industry (whose main useful purpose is attention distraction). If you hear rumors or ‘inside skinny’ about what this parallel work entails, you are hearing lies or the imagination of someone still caught in the scientology hallucinatory cause syndrome.

In the interim, I inform you that nothing about any of this is inconsistent with what I have written over the past two years. Just as certainly, many spectators will be sure that is not the case when they witness that 2015 and 2016 make 2009 and 2010 look like child’s play.”

Looks to me like he IS up to something. What do you think? I mean he laid it all out right there that the events of 2015 and 2016 were going to be used by spectators to talk about Marty’s “inconsistency”.

That’s where they’re all beating the drum right now on, isn’t it?


I think my other reply got et.

Check this out Alanzo – see what you think now that we see what all has gone on.


Miscavige has a billion dollar bankroll at his disposal. He could harass Mark and Monique for the rest of their lives.

Ze Mooo
Ze Mooo

Trying guess the motivation of someone you don’t know is futile and fairly arrogant. That said, Rathbun’s final denunciation of the coercive nature of $cientology is the best indication of Marty’s mindset at that time. I don’t know how to process the Lemburger email leak. But I am looking forward to any solid info on what is really going on.

Marty Rathbun has one huge ace in the hole. If he were to write a tell all book about his time in upper management and come clean on the the Lisa McPherson case and many of the black bag jobs he did, he’d take the current Leah Remini hurricane and take it to a whole new clambake level.

Or was his silence bought when he escaped years ago? If so, how did he ‘get away’ with his blog all those years? There are too many questions that need answers. Will we ever get them?

Roger From Switzerland Thought
Roger From Switzerland Thought


I orderyou to eat crows. I don’t understand you missed the obvious Facts:

– Dani lemberger is a Lrh and Ksw fanatic and is making lots of Money with selling Scientology
– Marty denounced some years ago Dani for still selling the fata Morgana of Scientology
– Dani lost because of this a huge amount of potential customers
– Ergo, Marty became an ennemy per Kswand Ethics Tech
– Dani settled in court with C.O.S, but neither Ortega or Dani are informing about this Settlement and if Money changed Hands
– Marty didn’t settle with the C.O.S in court and there are no data about a secret Settlement, but only wild speculation…

bon appétit and please post the Pictures about eating crows !


Dani Lemberger IS NOT Lrh or Ksw fanatic. He is in the belief that there are tens of invented OT levels.


Who sued who about what in the Co$ vs. the Israeli scn center? What was the outcome?