The ESMB Thread on AlanzosBlog!

Welcome to Alanzo’s ESMB Thread on AlanzosBlog!

Our pilot program worked out so well the other day, we are going to make this a permanent feature of AlanzosBlog!

This post will be where the discussion on ESMB spills out over on to AlanzosBlog – where the REAL issues can be discussed without having to wade through all the comments from all the assholes and old men in crappy pants!

So look to the comments section below to take the discussion on ESMB to a higher level.

Alanzo

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Claire Swazey
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Well, some of their regulars are discussing you, that’s for sure. They’ve said they don’t like it that you criticize ESMB. I get how they feel, but it’s hypocritical. They don’t object to criticizing various people in the critical $cn scene-it just depends on whom. Apart from conflicts between you and anyone on ESMB, one can still find lots and lots of gossipy comments of various exes, critics and others.

So write about whom you wish-they do it all the time.

Claire Swazey
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They keep saying your behavior is Scientological. I believe that’s the questionable analogy fallacy. I mean, you could say that every time some other ex does something you disagree with.

It’s like the time I said I loved Atlas Shrugged. As I was then into FZ stuff at the time, and getting a lot of flak for it, this guy goes yeah, because that kind of mindset blah blah you like Scientology something something appeals to you. Well, no. I was intro’d to the book by someone who never was in Scientology, thinks it’s ridiculous, and who mentored me at three different jobs. One day I had her copy, had nothing to do, opened it up and found it to be a cracking good read.

Point is, instead of just disagreeing with you, they want to pigeonhole you. So they make stuff up. Anyone who doesn’t share their opinions is not only wrong but must be just like DM or Hubbard. As I said, it’s a logical fallacy.

Gib
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the way Alanzo communicates, one could think that.

John Doe
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There is something that happens to most people when they become scientologists:

They become juvenilized to a great degree, vis a vis Scientology and the church. As a scientologist, you have to constantly ask for permission to do things like take time off of course to go to a fish fry, or you’re constantly worried about “getting into trouble” like you were an 11 year old. Miscavige’s obsession with criminalizing masturbation reminds me of how all the boys in 7th and 8th grade were sanctimoniously accusing each other of choking their chickens, yet each were guilty of that which they accused.

This middle school environment was rife with ad hominem attacks. And evidently, so are a lot of the comments on these blogs and message boards.

This behavior was learned in middle school. And to be a good scientologist, one had to assign others (particularly LRH) to be smarter, more powerful, and more good than oneself. Just like how you felt in middle school.

This pattern of thinking and behavior has been in place since adolescence, so it’s “earlier on the chain” than scn for many and then one was held at that level of development for decades by the church for their own interests of controlling their parishioners.

These guys are going to have to learn how to be grown ups. But for many, it might be too late for them to learn.

Zane X
Guest

I don’t really keep up with all the never-ending soap opera at ESMB, but I do note there is a very disturbing extremist anti-Muslim hysteria being promoted there by users like WildKat (who seems to believe a global Muslim conspiracy to behead all the infidels), Churchill, Stradivarius, a couple others. I used to think that Ortega’s anti-Muslim bias was over-the-top (which apparently got him in hot water during his short tenure at Raw Story, which tends to be very progressive) but he’s got nothing on WildKat, who appears to believe Islam should be banned and all Muslims deported, basically parroting Pamela Gellar’s hardcore bigotry.

That might help explain why ESMB’s popularity among exes and fence-sitters has been waning. Most people I know (and have known) in Scientology find such bigotry disgusting, and I believe most people in general in the US and Europe do as well, so WildKat and the other anti-Muslim users are really helping the church PR machine because it confirms the claims made by OSA PR that the anti-Scientology crowd are “anti-religious bigots”. Same with the Bunker.

I would expect an alternative forum to pop up at some point in the near future which can keep such “noise” down and focus on issues facing exes and those on the fence who are thinking of walking away from the church. But as it stands right now, both ESMB and the Bunker are the absolute worst places for anyone who is about to dump Scientology. Too much hate and fanaticism. Scientologists put up with that crap enough already in the church, they don’t need to tolerate it after they leave, nor should they be expected to.

Richard
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I haven’t read the comments on ESMB and don’t want to so I can’t comment on that.

This is my own opinion. Few Muslims speak out publicly against Jihad and Jihadists, or at least it doesn’t show up in the mainstream media. I don’t know if it’s part of the religion that they’re not allowed to criticize anything in the Koran. I read somewhere that there is a supposedly “softer” interpretation of Jihad, just a desire to spread Islam around the world, just like Christianity or Scientology. Criticize Christianity and you’re an agnostic or an atheist and that’s okay. Criticize Scientology and you’re an anti-cultist and that’s okay. Criticize Islam and you’re a bigot. Political correctness.

I’ve read some of the Koran, as much of it as I could stand until I took it back to the library. The version I read was in simple understandable English. It’s dogmatic with rules and regulations about almost everything. God loves those who love God, and God destroys those who don’t love God. Granted, it was written in a time and place on earth which was quite barbaric, and no doubt praying five times a day might lead someone to a more righteous life.

Claire Swazey
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As everyone knows, I think many aspects of ESMB are problematic but this one? Well, meh. It’s not that I’m in favor of jingoism and bigotry, but I think the reason some there talk about Islam is that they’ve already seen what fundamentalism can do and it’s not pretty. So although I don’t really get along with Strats or Churchill, I think that on this one maybe I see where they’re coming from.

Gib
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Here’s what I wrote on ESMB:

“yes, he did state it was tongue in cheek on his blog in my reply to him and I apologized for misinterpreting.

I wish I never started this tread, my bad. I have no intention of getting ex’s to fight but only discuss idea’s that helps one out of the scientology BS clear/OT trap..”

I happen to agree with statpush. And Alanzo your statement above “where the REAL issues can be discussed without having to wade through all the comments from all the assholes and old men in crappy pants!”, I think this statement quoted is not OK.

You are hereby banned from your own blog!

Dan Locke
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I’d love to talk with you, Al. Do you know how to reach me?

Patti
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It took me a long time to realize that I will never convince anyone that I am not whatever I am being accused of. I missed all of my avatars too, Alanzo. But I have come to the conclusion that moving on was necessary for me to continue my recovery.
GT

Claire Swazey
Guest

I’ve been stopping in at ESMB every now and again, and kept sort of almost noticing something. Finally, I realized what it was. Less traffic, less posts.

I know OCMB, which followed a similar m.o. and trajectory (mellow and informative and dialogue driven at first, then devolving into anger and flames) , is still up but only has a few frequent contributors.

ESMB got a huge amount of traffic and new members for a very long time, even as Facebook groups re Scn rose in popularity.

It’s less now.

Good luck and warm regards to all ESMB and OCMB participants-past, present and future. You’re all doing the same and *only* thing I’ve done and ever wanted to do. Namely, reach out to others in fellowship and camaraderie, try to figure out what really happened to us in CofS and why, decompress, try to address all that stuff we were taught and told, and then go from there forward into life. That is what matters. Other exes are just that- other ex members of the Church of Scientology.

Lone Star
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I tag along with Claire here in also giving warm regards to all ESMBers past, present and future. I’ve now gone one solid year without posting over there! Wow….It used to be hard to go a few days. I was that addicted.

I also agree with Al in recognizing Veda’s valuable contributions over the years. He and I had some major knock down drag out fights though. Set the place on fire! One time it was so bad we BOTH got temporarily banned. Lol…

Humor aside, I do believe that the fact those fights got so heated was my fault. Sure, he knows how to “work a knife” when he wants to, but I didn’t have to overreact. And again, fact is Veda has helped a lot of people. A lot. He’s very gifted in gathering and encapsulating massive amounts of information that helps people recover, or even just learn about Hubbard and Scientology.

Richard
Guest

Nice acknowledgement LS. A good ack goes further than criticism most of the time.

P.S. I take the viewpoint that sometime, somewhere, at least one person will look at my comments on back topics and an audience of one is still an audience. If not, then they still enter the Internet Akashic Record – lol

Claire
Guest

So, Lone Star is back on ESMB apologizing to them. Well, he’s done that before, bless his heart. I wish him the best.

Claire
Guest

I also recently saw a super fun post (by Emma) in which the intelligence of several people who post here-including me- was being impugned. She also said The Sneakster posted here (he’s included in the list of awful dumb people) but I never saw any posts here from him.

Well, judging by the feedback I just got from an SVP at my company, I seem to be doing just fine. But hey- stupid or not- I’m bearing up ok under the disgrace.

(My solution would be, hey talk this stuff out and recognize each other as human beings. I’m not difficult to find. )

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